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Old 01-14-2013, 08:49 AM  
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Why do the Anti-Gun crowd hate women?

Why do the Anti-Gun crowd hate women?
Why would you want to make it harder or impossible for a woman to defend herself against rape or sexual assault?

Remember, just because you are the wormy squirly girly man type and most women can kick your ass anyway does not mean there are not others out there she can't and may need a little help to equalize..
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:01 AM   #226
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How will women defend themselves with only a 10 round magazine?
In New York, they only get 7 rounds.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:02 AM   #227
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Wrong again, dumbbell.

Why This is a Civil Liberties Issue?

Under the Fourteenth Amendment, the government may not "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Laws against same-sex marriage blatantly violate the spirit of this amendment. What's more, these laws are most often explicitly written to "protect the sanctity of marriage." If the government is in the business of protecting sanctity with this kind of legislation, then in what way is it not "[making] law respecting an establishment of religion," an activity expressly prohibited under the First Amendment?
I hadn't considered that angle, that's a fair point.

But it doesn't detract from the point I'm making about listo and the police state enablers that now suddenly believe that we must protect ourselves from the government.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:04 AM   #228
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You can't name one civil liberty, can you.

It's alright, it's just what I'm saying though. The "I gotta defend myself from a potential Hitler" argument is just high-minded bullshit by neoconservative enablers who allowed and supported Bush and Obama to take on numerous actions that ground our civil liberties down, and do far more to sabotage our ability to protect ourselves from the government than owning firearms.
Have you ever considered the possibility that the reason that you and I don't share the "same side" on many issues is that you are kind of a stupid person and that I'm not? Just a suggestion. Something for you to think about.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:09 AM   #229
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Have you ever considered the possibility that the reason that you and I don't share the "same side" on many issues is that you are kind of a stupid person and that I'm not? Just a suggestion. Something for you to think about.
I have no doubt that that's true, but between the two of us, I'm interested in protecting our civil liberties from being ground down in order to enable a police state, whereas you've demonstrated in this forum a placid indifference that's suspiciously only aroused when somebody is advocating gun control.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:17 AM   #230
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I have no doubt that that's true, but between the two of us, I'm interested in protecting our civil liberties from being ground down in order to enable a police state, whereas you've demonstrated in this forum a placid indifference that's suspiciously only aroused when somebody is advocating gun control.
You have no idea what I've demonstrated in this forum. You appear to lack both the reading comprehension skills to understand my posts, and the will to research your own baseless accusations. I lack both the desire to educate you, and the respect for you intellectually to consider your opinions of me valid. So, as I have already said, if you want to prove something then prove it.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:18 AM   #231
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I have no doubt that that's true, but between the two of us, I'm interested in protecting my civil liberties
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:21 AM   #232
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You have no idea what I've demonstrated in this forum. You appear to lack both the reading comprehension skills to understand my posts, and the will to research your own baseless accusations. I lack both the desire to educate you, and the respect for you intellectually to consider your opinions of me valid. So, as I have already said, if you want to prove something then prove it.
Not a shit was given, unfortunately. The arguments I'm presenting need neither your approval nor your respect to be valid.

What you apparently lack is the ability to name a single civil liberties issue to protect oneself from police state encroachments on our liberty that you've actively stood up for on this forum outside of gun control debates.

A single one.

That's either because you (a.) think it's too much work to type a sentence, (b.) can't think of a single one you've actively stood up for, (c.) are trolling.

I'm confident it's a combination of (b.) and (c.).
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:22 AM   #233
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Not a shit was given, unfortunately. The arguments I'm presenting need neither your approval nor your respect to be valid.

What you apparently lack is the ability to name a single civil liberties issue to protect oneself from police state encroachments on our liberty that you've actively stood up for on this forum outside of gun control debates.

A single one.

That's either because you (a.) think it's too much work to type a sentence, (b.) can't think of a single one you've actively stood up for, (c.) are trolling.

I'm confident it's a combination of (b.) and (c.).
Still got nothing, huh?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:25 AM   #234
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Still got nothing, huh?
I'm not sure what this means, but I've got what I need.

I've exposed the concern you cited against gun control in post #181 as hollow. You've offered... literally nothing in return other than the platitude that you're against all police state encroachments, with absolutely nothing specific to back that up.
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I'm not sure what this means, but I've got what I need.

I've exposed the concern you cited against gun control in post #181 as hollow. You've offered... literally nothing in return other than the platitude that you're against all government encroachments, with absolutely nothing specific to back that up.
No, you haven't exposed anything. You've made a baseless accusation. I then "called you on it" and you won't respond. So...still got nothing, huh?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:39 AM   #236
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No, you haven't exposed anything. You've made a baseless accusation. I then "called you on it" and you won't respond. So...still got nothing, huh?
Nonsense -- I've based it on my own experience being perhaps the most active member on this forum for the past six years, especially when it comes to civil liberties debates, which are more or less my bread and butter.

I can't recall a single time you've taken an active position against the national security police state in that time.

You've answered "nuh uh."

Not... exactly compelling, there.
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Nonsense -- I've based it on my own experience being perhaps the most active member on this forum for the past six years, especially when it comes to civil liberties debates, which are more or less my bread and butter.

I can't recall a single time you've taken an active position against the national security police state in that time.

You've answered "nuh uh."

Not... exactly compelling evidence, there.
I don't need to provide evidence of any kind. You made the accusation. Support it.
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I don't need to provide evidence of any kind.
You don't need to do much of anything at this point.

But when the forum's most active member says you've voted present on enabling every police state measure in the post-9/11 era while simultaneously pretending to be some crusader against it when it's convenient in the midst of a gun control debate, and you're unable/unwilling to name a single time you actually have... well. Like I said, you don't need to do much else.

If you can name a single issue, I'll even google it and look it up so I can gladly eat my words. That would push the discussion forward.

But you're not pushing a discussion, you're trolling rather transparently.

Which is fine and all. But let's call a spade a spade.
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You don't need to do much of anything at this point.

But when the forum's most active member says you've voted present on enabling every police state measure in the post-9/11 era while simultaneously pretending to be some crusader against it when it's convenient in the midst of a gun control debate, and you're unable/unwilling to name a single time you actually have... well. Like I said, you don't need to do much else.

If you can name a single issue, I'll even google it and look it up so I can gladly eat my words. That would push the discussion forward.

But you're not pushing a discussion, you're trolling rather transparently.

Which is fine and all. But let's call a spade a spade.

Still got nothing, huh?
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