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displacedinMN · 08:32 AM

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.

Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST

A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

Bump · 01-17-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

that theory is as crazy as the 9/11 theory

the number of morons who beleive this kind of crap seem to multiply rather rapidly

considering the people in power got very very very rich off of 9/11, it doesn't really seem that crazy or is that just a coincidence too? Greed knows no limits. I'm not saying it definitely is an inside job, but when you take a look at the relationships the Bush's had with certain extremely wealthy people, it's interesting.

CoMoChief · 01-17-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

...except for...

And you didn't even get into how the govt plans and executes mass murders such as 9/11, the Aurora movie theater and Sandy Hook. I honestly don't know how you even summon the courage to get out of bed in the morning. Although, maybe you don't.

Either you don't care, or you just choose not to pay attention to what's really going on in this world.

You're right....we're not in a financial crisis...the economy is improving because CNN and Obama say so!!!

Hooray Obamaphones for everyone!!!

BucEyedPea · 01-17-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

...except for...

And you didn't even get into how the govt plans and executes mass murders such as 9/11, the Aurora movie theater and Sandy Hook. I honestly don't know how you even summon the courage to get out of bed in the morning. Although, maybe you don't.

Fish · 01-17-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump

calling out the corruption which is going to tank this country and really **** over 90% of it's citizens makes you a crazy person. People just don't want to deal with any sort of truth. They don't want to believe that our government isn't working for our interests anymore, but only their own and the elite. So they just label it as crazy so that they can live obliviously.

I can agree with the bolded sentence for sure. This thread is a good example of that...

BucEyedPea · 01-17-2013, 01:40 PM

Could this be why Obama says "we can't wait" on gun control? He knows what he's doing.

The next round of negotiations is scheduled to discuss the eradication of private gun ownership in NYC March 18, 2013. The UN had approved a resolution to renew negotiations on the global Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) this past Christmas Eve. Obama gave the green light to resolution which is a gun grab by globalists. Sounds to me like he's trying to accelerate this by dancing on the Newtown massacre and using children as cheap props.

cosmo20002 · 01-17-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Could this be why Obama says "we can't wait" on gun control?

The next round of negotiations is scheduled to discuss the eradication of private gun ownership in NYC March 18, 2013. The UN had approved a resolution to renew negotiations on the global Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) this past Christmas Eve. Obama gave the green light to resolution which is a gun grab by globalists. Sounds to me like he's trying to accelerate this by dancing on the Newtown massacre and using children as cheap props.

You were too embarassed to give a link or citation? With good reason.
"discuss the eradication of private gun ownership" JFC.

BucEyedPea · 01-17-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

You were too embarassed to give a link or citation? With good reason.
"discuss the eradication of private gun ownership" JFC.

No, it's my pov about the UN gun control treaty even if they leave us squirt guns. Oh and left-leaning Snopes is wrong.

cosmo20002 · 01-17-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

No, it's my pov about the UN gun control treaty even if they leave us squirt guns. Oh and left-leaning Snopes is wrong.

Its my POV = delusional shit I made up devoid of any link with reality

BucEyedPea · 01-17-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Its my POV = I'm a piece shit I made up devoid of any link with reality

Got it.

cosmo20002 · 01-17-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Got it.

ad hominem

BucEyedPea · 01-17-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

ad hominem

Yup! Exactly what you were doing and got it back.

Just speaking to you on your own terms.

Oh, and I just need to know what the Constitution says to know what a treaty does under it.

DJJasonp · 01-17-2013, 02:09 PM

I'm not saying Newtown is or isnt something......so let's get that clear straight away.

But I've come to the realization that people either have an open mind - or they dont. It's that simple.

It's wasted keystrokes and breaths to try to convince a closed mind of the POSSIBILITY of something outside of what Hannity or Maddow tells them to think.

The sad thing is, the same people, in many cases, who are so absolutely 100% positive that what they "know" is right - and everyone else thinking otherwise are loons....are the same people who have yet to read a book, watch a documentary, or read the 9/11 commission report.

In many cases, it's a fundamental issue.

If people think, without a doubt, that government and world leaders (banking, pharma, agri, etc...) have YOUR best interests at the heart of their operations.........and they're to be trusted.

Well....there's no more conversation to have.

I tend to believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely. And money corrupts.

With those in play - anything is possible.

KChiefer · 01-17-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

I'm not saying Newtown is or isnt something......so let's get that clear straight away.

But I've come to the realization that people either have an open mind - or they dont. It's that simple.

It's wasted keystrokes and breaths to try to convince a closed mind of the POSSIBILITY of something outside of what Hannity or Maddow tells them to think.

The sad thing is, the same people, in many cases, who are so absolutely 100% positive that what they "know" is right - and everyone else thinking otherwise are loons....are the same people who have yet to read a book, watch a documentary, or read the 9/11 commission report.

In many cases, it's a fundamental issue.

If people think, without a doubt, that government and world leaders (banking, pharma, agri, etc...) have YOUR best interests at the heart of their operations.........and they're to be trusted.

Well....there's no more conversation to have.

I tend to believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely. And money corrupts.

With those in play - anything is possible.

That's great and all. The problem is that these conspiracies don't hold water when tested.

And yes money and power does corrupt. Be sure to add the NRA and gun manufacturers to your list of examples (banking, pharma, agri, etc...)

BucEyedPea · 01-17-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

That's great and all. The problem is that these conspiracies don't hold water when tested.

It's not that. There's no way to test something if parts are hidden. A conspiracy is a secret and people get convicted of it all the time, once evidence is uncovered. Depends on how much coverup there is. Some conspiracies are true though...and there's enough things that may not fit where one can come to such a conclusion.

cosmo20002 · 01-17-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Yup! Exactly what you were doing and got it back.

Just speaking to you on your own terms.

Oh, and I just need to know what the Constitution says to know what a treaty does under it.

JFC, you are a freak. I specifically criticized you not giving a link for your ridiculous statement about a scheduled discussion of eradication of private gun ownership, and implicitly dismissed the whole thing as BS. That's not ad hominem.

Your defense that it is "your pov" is comical. Go ahead--point out the part of the proposed treaty that has anything to do with personal gun rights within the US--use, ownership, confiscation, etc within the US. Go ahead--

01-05-2013, 08:26 AM
displacedinMN Starter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $11161	Newtown shooting theory-the government did it. This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get. This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts. Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre By Jana Hollingsworth Duluth News Tribune Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings. In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university. Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact. UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university. Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless. Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama, in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook." Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel." The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment." Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university. "There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability." Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said. But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website. "For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view." "I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous." Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006. He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks. As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us." Last edited by displacedinMN; 01-05-2013 at 08:32 AM..
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