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Old 01-16-2013, 01:26 PM  
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Obama’s 23 Planned Executive Actions On Guns

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Obama’s 23 Planned Executive Actions On Guns
David Taintor
11:58 AM EST, Wednesday January 16, 2013

Here is a list provided by the White House of the 23 executive actions President Obama plans to take to reduce gun violence in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., massacre:
  1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
  2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
  3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
  4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
  5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
  6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
  7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
  8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
  9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
  10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
  11. Nominate an ATF director.
  12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
  13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
  14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
  15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
  16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
  17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
  18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
  19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
  20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
  21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
  22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
  23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:50 AM   #136
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This message would be stronger if it weren't for the irony of it coming from a man(Obama) who sold assault rifles to mexican drug cartels that resulted in the murder of a US agent....and won't answer questions about it.

Mr Obama....I've taken my background check to get my permit. How about YOU undergo a background check to see if you'd qualify to have a CCW in Chicago or DC.



Why didn't the government implement gun control after they murdered young people at Kent State? Ruby Ridge? Waco?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:03 PM   #137
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I'm not comfortable with obamacare "doctors" getting to decide who a mental case and who aint.
I'd say you in particular have very legitimate cause for concern if anyone starts deciding who is a mental case.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:38 PM   #138
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Yeah, what do these doctors know about health anyway.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:54 PM   #139
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Yeah, what do these doctors know about health anyway.
Everything. That's why they never need malpractice insurance.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:27 PM   #140
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Which mass shooter was stopped during a reload?
Remember the dude that shot Gabby Giffords?

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How about we identify solutions in those areas most prone to gun violence and go from there?
That's certainly a solution, one that has been tried at various times with various degrees of success. And should continue to be pursued.

One process I learned about recently was how some cities responded to outbreaks in gun violence in ways they'd respond to outbreaks in disease, and crime actually redued.

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How about we identify the mentals out there and get them culled from the herd before they snap? How about we teach gun use, operation, and safety at the same time we teach sex education? The principle is the same; remove the mystery, educate the youth on proper use of the equipment because ****ing around with it can mess up a whole bunch of lives.
Again, these are good. I'm on board.

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Why are Americans and the left so abjectly terrified by firearms? The bacon in my fridge should be of much greater concern to my doctor than the firearms in my gun safe. But, no. This agenda is about doing away with something that is scary, that they don't understand, and that is part of the livelyhood of a section of American life that they don't particularly like or care about.
It's about catching us up with the rest of the Western world, really. Our Western brethren barely have to deal with gun violence on the scale we do.

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Also, it's Obama's ATF. Has been for 4 years. How he allocates resources to accomplish his agenda and meet the needs of his Presidency is on him. He hasn't seen fit to "fang" the ATF for four years that is on him. Not Congressional Republicans and certainly not on law abiding gun owners exercising their God given rights to life and liberty but their right to protect them.
Which is what he's doing now, it would seem.

Except the measure about appointing an ATF director. That now requires Senate confirmation, which was something Republicans put in at the NRA's behest back in 2006 so they could actively down-vote absolutely anybody put up for the position.

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Lastly, anything, and I mean ANYTHING applying to gun owners should be made to apply to law enforcement as well. No "assault weapons", no "high" capacity magazines, etc. If I don't need them to protect myself from an imminent threat they don't need them when they show up to clean up the mess that was me and mine.
I don't follow the logic here, really.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:53 PM   #141
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On the note of the ATF director, I was watching CNN yesterday and the had the president of the NRA on. They asked him what he thought of B Todd Jones. His reply was that he couldn't say because he didn't know who he was!

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Old 01-17-2013, 04:20 PM   #142
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:40 PM   #143
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Radio personality Anthony Cumia makes some salient points:

What about the mental health clause in the new law?

Isn’t that very vague and very subjective? It just seems to me that if the situation arises and they just don’t want somebody to have a gun, they absolutely have a way to do it without any due process. You can be judged incompetent and they can just take your guns away without any recourse.

And what happened with confidentiality between a doctor and patient? Where’s the criteria? Where is the line? Who decides the difference between someone who dealing with depression and anxiety and someone who wants to do harm with a gun? Where is that line? Who makes that judgement?
Confidentiality ends when someone indicates that they may be a threat to themselves or others whether a gun is involved or not. In fact if such behavior is observed it is the duty of the healthcare provider, whether a doctor or therapist to notify the authorities. This isn't new...at all. The questions about who decides it, makes the judgment, etc, are not just surfacing because of this and they have never been an issue in the past. Same goes for suspected child abuse. These laws are in place for the safety of the patient and society in general.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:47 PM   #144
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So what happens if someone has legally obtained a permit to buy a gun and does, then later is declared mentally unstable. Because the gun is registered do the cops show up at his house to confiscate it?
Nobody has a problem with this?

A guy's constitutional rights are eradicated based on an opinion of another even though he hasn't created a crime?
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:52 PM   #145
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Nobody has a problem with this?

A guy's constitutional rights are eradicated based on an opinion of another even though he hasn't created a crime?
yeah, that's pretty much what will happen.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:11 PM   #146
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:15 PM   #147
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Nobody has a problem with this?

A guy's constitutional rights are eradicated based on an opinion of another even though he hasn't created a crime?
Dude. Even the beloved NRA agree (at least publicly) that people who are declared mentally unstable should not be able to own/keep guns. Good grief.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:16 PM   #148
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:21 PM   #149
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You're not being prosecuted for anything. Just like if someone that goes blind gets their drivers license revoked, someone declared insane should no longer have guns.
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You're not being prosecuted for anything. Just like if someone that goes blind gets their drivers license revoked, someone declared insane should no longer have guns.
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