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Obama’s 23 Planned Executive Actions On Guns

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Obama’s 23 Planned Executive Actions On Guns
David Taintor
11:58 AM EST, Wednesday January 16, 2013

Here is a list provided by the White House of the 23 executive actions President Obama plans to take to reduce gun violence in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., massacre:
  1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
  2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
  3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
  4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
  5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
  6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
  7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
  8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
  9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
  10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
  11. Nominate an ATF director.
  12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
  13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
  14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
  15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
  16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
  17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
  18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
  19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
  20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
  21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
  22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
  23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:47 AM   #196
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Why do people always drag Hitler into gun arguments?

Hitler encouraged private gun ownership. He removed gun restrictions and facilitated gun ownership. He wasn't scared of his people... they elected him with 94% majority vote.

Guns were not banned in Nazi Germany.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:21 AM   #197
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Says you.
No, says Obama who wants to limit the size of magazines. Sorry, Pal, if you can't even admit the man said what he said then go have fun in your dream world.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:39 AM   #198
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It's just an example of some of the bullshit already in place that makes the idea of expanding headshrinkers' roles in gun control all that more frightening.
It's the same thing anti gun people use though which is that guns need to be restricted because of the small number that misuse their rights.

And I am not sure what a headshrinker is exactly. Psychologist? I'm not sure what that link has to do with guns. It's just more about taking threats seriously to me. You don't think that law is a good thing?

I don't think that using mental disorders as a restrictive force on gun ownership is really expanding a role of mental health professionals. There are pretty serious consequences for purposely misdiagnosing people so if people use their influence on others to take away their gun rights without proper evidence they are taking a big risk. As with most everything the people that would misuse it for their personal agenda is way too small to do away entirely with the idea of having some mental disorders be something that restricts a person's gun rights.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #199
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Nobody has a problem with this?

A guy's constitutional rights are eradicated based on an opinion of another even though he hasn't created a crime?
What would you prefer?

I assume you agree that the violently mentally ill should not be permitted to own guns.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:09 AM   #200
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This is blatantly wrong, of course.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:10 AM   #201
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This is blatantly wrong, of course.
your red x is wrong?
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:10 AM   #202
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What defines mentally unstable? Is there a manual?
There actually is a manual.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:11 AM   #203
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It's the same thing anti gun people use though which is that guns need to be restricted because of the small number that misuse their rights.

And I am not sure what a headshrinker is exactly. Psychologist? I'm not sure what that link has to do with guns. It's just more about taking threats seriously to me. You don't think that law is a good thing?

I don't think that using mental disorders as a restrictive force on gun ownership is really expanding a role of mental health professionals. There are pretty serious consequences for purposely misdiagnosing people so if people use their influence on others to take away their gun rights without proper evidence they are taking a big risk. As with most everything the people that would misuse it for their personal agenda is way too small to do away entirely with the idea of having some mental disorders be something that restricts a person's gun rights.
Were it not for that last provision, the one that I quoted which you completely ignored, I wouldn't have a problem with it. You don't have to be crazy to get pissed off at somebody.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:37 AM   #204
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Why do people always drag Hitler into gun arguments?
Because he went after guns. Stalin could be used as a substitute if you prefer, though.

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Hitler encouraged private gun ownership. He removed gun restrictions and facilitated gun ownership. He wasn't scared of his people... they elected him with 94% majority vote.

Guns were not banned in Nazi Germany.
I wouldm't claim Hitler facilitated gun ownership either—he had severe restrictions on them and the "right" people only could have them.

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Hitler imposed gun control on Jews. This is a matter of record. The thought of a bunch of Jews owning guns really upset him. The man was intolerant of Jews with guns. - Gary North
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Gun registration was part of a program of gun control.
“In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
You can see those laws here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

1919 Germany -Regulations on Weapons Ownership, declared "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately." Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks.

August 7, 1920 Germany - second gun-regulation law called the Law on the Disarmament of the People. Put limit on military-type weapons subject to Versailles Treaty.[BTW the left-wing Weimar Republic was hated by the people so not surprised at this law. The left-wing Weimar Republic had similar views that the left holds on guns too. ]

1928- Relaxed gun laws somewhat, while enacting a strict firearm licensing scheme. Records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers which were delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
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As everyone with any knowledge of German history in the 1920s knows, the Nazis ignored this law. In 1933, they took over. They suppressed all dissent. How? Because they were armed, while the rest of the population wasn’t. Is there cause and effect here? Salon does not mention this causal sequence. It’s clearly irrelevant, assuming you are a gun control promoter along Weimar lines.- Gary North http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1249.html
Prior to 1938 officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. [ The right people=the state.]

1938 German Weapons Act-Restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit."Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.

November 11, 1938 - Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. Applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland,deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.


I know people say there's not going to be "bans" but restricting guns, as seen with these laws, is just as bad. Especially when people who work for the state are exempt.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:47 AM   #205
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There actually is a manual.
Which expands every year with such nonsense as drinking too much caffeine as a disorder.Too many things are labeled a disorder. There is too much opinion in this profession. At least they admit they can't cure. There are no peer-reviewed papers or biological tests that prove depression is a chemical imbalance either. Yet, they use drugs with side-effects such as psychotic episodes with violence and suicide. I just read a medical site about this yesterday.

The "chemical imbalance" myth
The Myth of Chemical Imbalance
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:17 AM   #206
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Because he went after guns. Stalin could be used as a substitute if you prefer, though.


I wouldm't claim Hitler facilitated gun ownership either—he had severe restrictions on them and the "right" people only could have them.





You can see those laws here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

1919 Germany -Regulations on Weapons Ownership, declared "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately." Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks.

August 7, 1920 Germany - second gun-regulation law called the Law on the Disarmament of the People. Put limit on military-type weapons subject to Versailles Treaty.[BTW the left-wing Weimar Republic was hated by the people so not surprised at this law. The left-wing Weimar Republic had similar views that the left holds on guns too. ]

1928- Relaxed gun laws somewhat, while enacting a strict firearm licensing scheme. Records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers which were delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
This is what you need to look at:
Prior to 1938 officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. [ The right people=the state.]

1938 German Weapons Act-Restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit."Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.

November 11, 1938 - Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. Applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland,deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.


I know people say there's not going to be "bans" but restricting guns, as seen with these laws, is just as bad. Especially when people who work for the state are exempt.
Did Hitler invade any countries that allowed private gun ownership? You mean they weren't able to defeat Hitler despite the people having guns? Did it not take half the world and its largest militaries several years to defeat Hitler? So, that being the case, perhaps the argument that the Jews, if only they had guns, could have defeated Hitler, is pretty ****ing stupid.
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Did Hitler invade any countries that allowed private gun ownership? You mean they weren't able to defeat Hitler despite the people having guns? Did it not take half the world and its largest militaries several years to defeat Hitler? So, that being the case, perhaps the argument that the Jews, if only they had guns, could have defeated Hitler, is pretty ****ing stupid.
Yeah, there could never be such thing as an armed resistance. Only organized military operations.
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A Virginia state lawmaker brandished an AK-47 on the floor of the state House of Delegates Thursday.
Virginia Del. Joe Morrissey, a Democrat hailing from the Richmond area, showed off the weapon while pushing for tighter gun-control laws, The Washington Examiner reported.
"A lot of people don't know that in many locations in the commonwealth, you can take this gun, you can walk in the middle of Main Street loaded and not be in violation of the law," Morrissey said on the floor, according to the Examiner, assuring other lawmakers that the gun was not loaded.
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