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Old 01-18-2013, 12:49 PM  
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Matt is from Bleacher Report and is one of the guys that has Geno going first to KC. Should be a good listen
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:35 PM   #76
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Except you are not including the original guy you draft. Assuming Albert isn't extended, people would really be upset walking out of the first three rounds of the draft with the best LT and Wilson?
Sure. But then it's not in your hands.

You take Joeckel, them Wilson, Smith and Barkley go in the top 10 you're holding your dick with the 4 or 5 best QB.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:35 PM   #77
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Except you are not including the original guy you draft. Assuming Albert isn't extended, people would really be upset walking out of the first three rounds of the draft with the best LT and Wilson?
I don't think everyone would be mad if we walked out of there with those two guys... The problem is... that's an assumption that you DO Get those two guys. You're risking not drafting a QB by trying to wait till the 2nd, and if wilson and Smith ARE taken, you're basically ****ed... until next year. You don't PLAN for the 2nd round and hope that he's still there. The Eagles or jags or raiders may all take QB's... what do you do then? YOU DONT HAVE A CHOICE. If we could map out the draft and say.. Joeckel #1 and Wilson in the 2nd... I think people could get on board... But this isn't Madden where you just restart the system until you get the guys you want to fall to you.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:38 PM   #78
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I don't think everyone would be mad if we walked out of there with those two guys... The problem is... that's an assumption that you DO Get those two guys. You're risking not drafting a QB by trying to wait till the 2nd, and if wilson and Smith ARE taken, you're basically ****ed... until next year. You don't PLAN for the 2nd round and hope that he's still there. The Eagles or jags or raiders may all take QB's... what do you do then? YOU DONT HAVE A CHOICE. If we could map out the draft and say.. Joeckel #1 and Wilson in the 2nd... I think people could get on board... But this isn't Madden where you just restart the system until you get the guys you want to fall to you.
You are right. The question is how big are Geno and Wilson's flaws? That's the difference between us draft geeks and the real scouts. Dorsey and Reid will have a good idea of where they should go and then allow for a rise in stock because of position. It's not as big of a gamble as you think imo.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:39 PM   #79
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Except you are not including the original guy you draft. Assuming Albert isn't extended, people would really be upset walking out of the first three rounds of the draft with the best LT and Wilson?
Or you just sign Albert to a deal.

They you could walk out of the first 3 rounds with the highest rated Qb in the draft, a franchise LT, and 3 other guys. You start trading those picks, you miss out on getting the best CB or BPA available , when you could have just taken whoever you like the best at 1 and not risk losing him.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:40 PM   #80
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You are right. The question is how big are Geno and Wilson's flaws? That's the difference between us draft geeks and the real scouts. Dorsey and Reid will have a good idea of where they should go and then allow for a rise in stock because of position. It's not as big of a gamble as you think imo.
So missing out on one of the top 3 QB's in the draft, when you have the ability to take your pick of the 3 before anyone else has a chance, isn't a gamble?


It's a huge gamble.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:40 PM   #81
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:41 PM   #82
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Jaguars @ 2 (and 33)
Raiders @ 3
Eagles @ 4
Cardinals @ 7
Bills @8
Jets @ 9

All need a starting QB badly.

Chargers @ 11
Saints @ 15
Cowboys @ 18
Broncos @ 28
Ravens @ 29

All have either declining, aging or potentially departing QBs.

That's why it makes NO SENSE to bet on the second-best QB falling to pick No. 34 (or, really, even No. 8).
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:42 PM   #83
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So missing out on one of the top 3 QB's in the draft, when you have the ability to take your pick of the 3 before anyone else has a chance, isn't a gamble?


It's a huge gamble.
I didn't say that. I said it isn't as much of a gamble as some think. I said they will have a decent idea of where they will go and make their decisions based on that.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:44 PM   #84
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You are right. The question is how big are Geno and Wilson's flaws? That's the difference between us draft geeks and the real scouts. Dorsey and Reid will have a good idea of where they should go and then allow for a rise in stock because of position. It's not as big of a gamble as you think imo.
There's not that much different between dedicated draft geeks and real scouts, honestly.

If you're talking about the lead guys that work for teams, coordinating efforts? Sure. But most scouts are just sports-obsessed guy who are willing to work hard and pay to be certified as a scout.

I should know. I worked with several of them and explored early steps in gaining certification myself. I also do some amateur college hoops scouting in the area for a few national writers.

The line between "Smart fan that pays attention and puts in the time" and "certified scout" is not as big as you think.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:47 PM   #85
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There's not that much different between dedicated draft geeks and real scouts, honestly.

If you're talking about the guys that work for teams? Sure. But most scouts are just sports-obsessed guy who are willing to work hard and pay to be certified as a scout.

I should know. I worked with several of them and explored early steps in gaining certification myself. I also do some amateur college hoops scouting in the area for a few national writers.

The line between "Smart fan that pays attention and puts in the time" and "certified scout" is not as big as you think.
There is an official nfl scout certification?
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There is an official nfl scout certification?
I don't know about an official NFL one. But there are multiple scouting camps you can go to, that provide a certification of sorts "i.e. "Graduate DUNCAN IDAHO School of Scouting" etc.

Easier to get into baseball ones than football, I think. But it's been a long time since I was poking around that stuff. Things might have changed.
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There's not that much different between dedicated draft geeks and real scouts, honestly.

If you're talking about the lead guys that work for teams, coordinating efforts? Sure. But most scouts are just sports-obsessed guy who are willing to work hard and pay to be certified as a scout.

I should know. I worked with several of them and explored early steps in gaining certification myself. I also do some amateur college hoops scouting in the area for a few national writers.

The line between "Smart fan that pays attention and puts in the time" and "certified scout" is not as big as you think.
interesting... You should follow through with that man... That would be my dream job.
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interesting... You should follow through with that man... That would be my dream job.
Hours and pay are atrocious. Fun, but not worth it full time.

I did the sports journalist thing, long enough to realize that it sounds better than it actually is.

It's hard to enjoy sports when it's your job.
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Smith and Wilson will be long gone by the time trading up is within reasonable range you moron.

Everyone questioned the McNabb pick which turned out Ok. Geno is a better prospect.
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