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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:25 PM   #376
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If you have Geno rated as #12 then there is no reason not to take him at #1 overall.

You would be good taking him at #7 if he graded out as the 12th best but the team that took him at #6 would be a desperate fool?
I keep telling people that BPA is curved with the QB position. If there's a Ray Lewis in the draft, but there's also a Troy Aikman, who do you take? Ray Lewis may be the better player, but Aikman provides far more to the team.

Same thing with Smith.

(not bashing Lewis btw, he's about as close as any ILB I've ever seen to sway my opinion on this)
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:33 PM   #377
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I keep telling people that BPA is curved with the QB position. If there's a Ray Lewis in the draft, but there's also a Troy Aikman, who do you take? Ray Lewis may be the better player, but Aikman provides far more to the team.

Same thing with Smith.

(not bashing Lewis btw, he's about as close as any ILB I've ever seen to sway my opinion on this)
I'd still take Barry Sanders
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:47 PM   #378
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Here is one thing about Andy Reid. He is going to take the player he wants, regardless of how much the fan base wants the other.

In KC, you could have billboards for Geno Smith. You could have Geno Smith fan clubs parading around Andy Reid's office with signs 24/7. You could have local sports radio shows conjure up Geno Smith rally songs. You could have every local beat writer put out articles about how Geno Smith is the right choice. But come draft night, if Andy Reid falls in love with another player, he's taking him. Period. For better or for worse.

There were so many times where every fan and member of the local media in Philly thought the Eagles draft pick was going to for sure end up being player x, y, or z, but on draft night Reid will come out and surprise everyone with a player that no one expected.

So, what does that mean for your draft? Root for whatever player you want, but just make sure you are mentally prepared for the totally unexpected just in case. Reid is always good for one major curveball on draft day.
I hope the "draft Luke Joeckel" crowd is ready to boo when they take Smith or Wilson.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:48 PM   #379
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I'd still take Barry Sanders
The guy won like 1 playoff game. I don't get it.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:14 PM   #380
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At first I hate this thought and then I think of what it was like when big Willie rolled out to the left back in the day.. just damn.

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Old 01-18-2013, 06:15 PM   #381
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At first I hate this thought and then I think of what it was like when big Willie rolled out to the left back in the day.. just damn.

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Yeah, all those playoff wins...just damn.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:17 PM   #382
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Guys like Cassel would still get sacked 35 times behind that great line. You can put five cardboard cutouts of Meatloaf in front of Brady and he'll get rid of the ball on time.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #383
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In terms of surplus value, the 10th best quarterback in the league gives you more points and wins compared to the 20th best QB than the best OT would from the 50th.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:32 PM   #384
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Yeah, all those playoff wins...just damn.
I agree.

It's like I said in the other thread...We let Albert walk and draft Joeckel. How many more wins do we have? Albert vs Joeckel?

Say. The next 3 seasons, per season how many more wins just because of switching OT's.
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Or you recognize this is draft that is mediocre at QB and you take the BPA, who IMO is Damontre Moore, and either draft a guy who is in the same ball park as the first round prospects in round 2 or wait until next year to target a guy and draft him.
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The guy won like 1 playoff game. I don't get it.
He was drafted by one of the worst run organizations in football, look how Stafford and Calvin Johnson's talents are being squandered.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:15 PM   #387
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I keep telling people that BPA is curved with the QB position. If there's a Ray Lewis in the draft, but there's also a Troy Aikman, who do you take? Ray Lewis may be the better player, but Aikman provides far more to the team.

Same thing with Smith.

(not bashing Lewis btw, he's about as close as any ILB I've ever seen to sway my opinion on this)
Excellent post! This is how I feel about it as well. IIRC, Dorsey said in his first interview, and I watched it live, that he would take the BPA. I may over analyze a bit but, he did NOT say Best Athlete Available. There is a difference. Smith is not the best athlete avail but, I believe he is the best player avail in a position the team needs most. And with Reid's history of developing qb's?

How can one say Smith is not worthy of #1 but perhaps #7 or #12? With the new rookie contracts, I do not see the huge gamble as some would reference. We have our future LT already in the present. No position on the field would increase the chances of the Chiefs winning more than nailing it at QB.

Smith may fail, but I would rather try that then have a prospect at LT protecting someone else.....
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He was drafted by one of the worst run organizations in football, look how Stafford and Calvin Johnson's talents are being squandered.
How many great RBs have been a part of the last 10 SB winners?

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Old 01-18-2013, 08:04 PM   #389
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apparently, the same could be said about you.

Have fun with Brady Quinn.
EXCUSE ME?!!!... I have been one of the most outspoken opponents, if not THE MOST, of getting Quinn ever since he was coming out of Notre Dame and 90% of you were in manlust with him on this board.

Next time do your homework before you post this kind of shit.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:06 PM   #390
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Ok. I see now.

You don't know really know how the draft works.

Gotcha. I'll leave you alone now.
And you do? This is sad and funny rolled together. Mostly sad though.
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