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Old 01-08-2013, 07:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:08 PM   #436
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No they are not.

Both were well regarded prospects that had very good college careers and went exactly were the NFL projected them to go in terms of round/picks.

Albert
Winston
Allen
Stephenson

That's four tackles that were taken in Round three or above in the NFL Draft since 2006.

And you think taking another one is a good idea?

That's as smart as taking another DT/NT.

My God, some of you people are just ****ing stupid sometimes.
Pioli drafted for depth last year after round 1 because of our team collapsing from injuries the year before.

We needed a swing tackle and Stephenson fit that profile. Allen was a better fit at G and that's why we drafted him.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:27 PM   #437
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Name the starting Left Tackles for the last 5 winning Super Bowl teams???


Now name the QB's.

The Chiefs have Not won a SB since the last time they had a HOF QB- you think they would be able to figure out why??

QB's win Super Bowls Not Left tackles.
That's like saying name the last 5 vice presidents and then name the last 5 presidents. Everyone knows the QBs in the league as they are the glamour position.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:25 PM   #438
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That's like saying name the last 5 vice presidents and then name the last 5 presidents. Everyone knows the QBs in the league as they are the glamour position.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:51 PM   #439
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Gee, I wonder why that is?
Because they run the offense?
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:18 PM   #440
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Because they run the offense?
His analogy was of naming presidents vs. Vice Presidents.

Of course it's easier to name the Presidents (and QBs incidentally) because they're infinitely more important.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:29 PM   #441
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Select Joeckel with number one pick and Geno will still be there waiting for us with open arms in the second.

ESPN's Mel Kiper sez KC should select Joeckel.

NFL.com's Gil Brandt sez KC will select Joeckel.

Brandt also sez Oakland will take Geno Smith at #3

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...-brandt/155116
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:34 PM   #442
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NFL.com's Gil Brandt sez KC will select Joeckel.

Brandt also sez Oakland will take Geno Smith at #3

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...-brandt/155116
I predicted that months ago. We take the tackle, Oakland takes the QB and he owns us for the next 10 years.

You'd have to be a complete moron of a franchise to take a tackle in the situation we're in.

We've proven plenty of times that we are.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:36 PM   #443
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with the new wage scale I wouldn't take Willie ****ing Roaf at #1 overall, or any "in the trenches" player.

I either need a Derrick Thomas, a Deion Sanders, an Adrian Peterson, a Calvin Johnson...or a GOD DAMN QB.

Those are the only things I'd take at #1.

if there isn't a ****ing Deion Sanders or Calvin Johnson in this draft I don't want anything besides the best QB available.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:39 PM   #444
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to be honest with you...I've watched all of the youtube videos and I just don't see how Geno isn't considered worthy of the #1 pick? He looks like he has it all to me.

How was Sam Bradford such a definite at #1 but Geno isn't?

I don't get it.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:53 PM   #445
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ESPN's Mel Kiper sez KC should select Joeckel.

NFL.com's Gil Brandt sez KC will select Joeckel.

Brandt also sez Oakland will take Geno Smith at #3

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...-brandt/155116
How could anyone that's watched the Chiefs since Trent Green left say that a left tackle is more important to the franchise than a QB?

Especially if the best QB in the draft goes two spots later?
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:56 PM   #446
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How could anyone that's watched the Chiefs since Trent Green left say that a left tackle is more important to the franchise than a QB?

Especially if the best QB in the draft goes two spots later?
Because these stupid ****ers still think that Cassel is a good QB.
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I think I would hate taking Luke Jerkoff #1 overall probably as much, if not more than Tyson Jackson.

I'd still give Reid/Dorsey the benefit of the doubt but I would be pissed.

If that's the case, though...we better plan on taking one of the top 3 QB's AND landing Flynn or someone via trade.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:57 PM   #448
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to be honest with you...I've watched all of the youtube videos and I just don't see how Geno isn't considered worthy of the #1 pick? He looks like he has it all to me.

How was Sam Bradford such a definite at #1 but Geno isn't?

I don't get it.
Sam Bradford didn't declare the year after Andrew "once in a generation" Luck.

That's the only explanation I can come up with.
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I will also add a disclaimer to the above post saying I am not fearing we take a LT right now...I think all of the "experts" are grasping at straws right now anyways.

Horrible example but JaMarcus Russell wasn't the top QB in his class until he started unleashing 100 yard bombs from his knees...

still a long ways to go before Geno doesn't emerge as the clear cut #1

and besides, the NFL doesn't like when teams announce who they take #1 before the draft anyways

see last year's obvious #1 pick Andrew Luck and how he wasn't announced until Goodell called it on draft day
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Because these stupid ****ers still think that Cassel is a good QB.
In Gil Brandt's case, that is absolutely true. He said the other day he thinks Cassel has all the tools to be a successful QB in the NFL. It's like the last 4 years never happened.
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