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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:31 PM   #481
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I'm surprised to see a thread about us taking a ****ing LEFT TACKLE is still hot.

I'm not gonna read, but please tell me everyone isn't trying to draft this guy
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:33 PM   #482
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IF A QB HAS EVER MADE A BAD READ, OR MADE EVEN ONE THROW THAT WASN'T PERFECT HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DRAFT!!!
That's not what I said either. People need to really not highlight their lack of reading ability. It looks stupid.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:35 PM   #483
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I'm surprised to see a thread about us taking a ****ing LEFT TACKLE is still hot.

I'm not gonna read, but please tell me everyone isn't trying to draft this guy
We are not getting a LT with the 1st pick. All the arguments here against it are correct. I think, it's just speculation on others' part or smoke being blown by the Chiefs FO.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:38 PM   #484
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We are not getting a LT with the 1st pick. All the arguments here against it are correct. I think, it's just speculation on others' part or smoke being blown by the Chiefs FO.
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:56 AM   #486
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I'm surprised to see a thread about us taking a ****ing LEFT TACKLE is still hot.

I'm not gonna read, but please tell me everyone isn't trying to draft this guy
There is no consensus on the Kansas City Chiefs No. 1 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft but several mock drafts are beginning to send Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel to Kansas City at No. 1. Will Joeckel become the consensus pick as the draft nears?

Get familiar with Luke Joeckel. Mock drafts have repeatedly sent Joeckel to Kansas City -- along with a quarterback here and there -- and Mel Kiper's latest is no different.
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ESPN Mel Kiper Mock Draft:

1) Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Joeckel

Analysis: He has started every game at left tackle since he arrived on campus, protects the passer with what could almost be perceived as ease and has zero durability questions after three years against very good competition. Joeckel has been so good, a big question about him at this stage might be whether he's truly nasty enough, a point of pride among elite O-linemen. The kid is a gifted technician at left tackle, and the Chiefs could go with the strategy of drafting their left tackle for the next 10 years here, then taking a shot on the best QB available with the first pick in Round 2. Two needs, two picks. We'll see, but QB value at this draft slot isn't in play right now.
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NFL.com Gil Brandt Mock Draft:

1. Kansas City Chiefs - Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

The Chiefs, who are likely to lose offensive lineman Branden Albert to free agency, take the best player available in the draft.

3. Oakland Raiders - Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

With lots of needs, the Raiders take their chances with Smith, who carries some risk, but offers a significant potential reward.
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NFLNetwork:

1) Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Joeckel
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ESPN Bill Williamson:

1. Kansas City: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

My take: There is no wrong answer for this pick right now. It is wide open, especially since there are no perfect position fits for the Chiefs.
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SI.com:

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle.
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Draft Countdown:

1) Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Joeckel
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:28 AM   #487
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Superbowl winning LTs since 2001

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2010 - Chad Clifton - 2nd round 44th pick

2009 - Jermon Bushrod - 4th round 125th pick

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Wow. Good stuff, thanks.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:55 AM   #488
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Problem is that we are not in an obvious 1st round QB year. Although I believe that Tyler Wilson is just that..... Not Geno Smith.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:00 AM   #489
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Problem is that we are not in an obvious 1st round QB year. Although I believe that Tyler Wilson is just that..... Not Geno Smith.
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Problem is that we are not in an obvious 1st round QB year. Although I believe that Tyler Wilson is just that..... Not Geno Smith.
Why is that?

Smith is my favorite, followed closely by Wilson.

What makes Wilson the guy over Smith?
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:37 AM   #491
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Why is that?

Smith is my favorite, followed closely by Wilson.

What makes Wilson the guy over Smith?
Better arm, better zip, prostyle offense, tough.

Only thing I don't like about Wilson is he has a funky delivery when the ball comes out.
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Problem is that we are not in an obvious 1st round QB year. Although I believe that Tyler Wilson is just that..... Not Geno Smith.
I agree there isn't A 1st round QB this year. There will be 4 or 5 QB's taken in the 1st round.
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Better arm, better zip, prostyle offense, tough.

Only thing I don't like about Wilson is he has a funky delivery when the ball comes out.
Better arm, better zip? Uh, NO.

Tough? How many concussions did Smith have? How much time did he miss?
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Better arm, better zip, prostyle offense, tough.

Only thing I don't like about Wilson is he has a funky delivery when the ball comes out.
Don't forget to mention that he doesn't have very good pocket presence and takes a lot of uneccessary hits that have led to the concussions. Oh, that's right, he's "tough." Which is code for he's got the shit kicked out of him and he now has a red flag because of those concussions.

He also tends to put the ball in the defenders hands when he needs to push the ball downfield.

Better arm than this?:




And this is proper toughness in the pocket:



This is a potential Casselish fetal position dude:



Watch as he shortens his stance and throwing motion when he sees the defender come through in front of him. He also cuts off the deep option and dumps it to the safety read. Not cool.
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Don't forget to mention that he doesn't have very good pocket presence and takes a lot of uneccessary hits that have led to the concussions. Oh, that's right, he's "tough." Which is code for he's got the shit kicked out of him and he now has a red flag because of those concussions.

He also tends to put the ball in the defenders hands when he needs to push the ball downfield.

Better arm than this?:




And this is proper toughness in the pocket:



This is a potential Casselish fetal position dude:



Watch as he shortens his stance and throwing motion when he sees the defender come through in front of him. He also cuts off the deep option and dumps it to the safety read. Not cool.
The bottom one is what every QB coach/OC in the NFL would have him do in that position.
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