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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:28 AM   #556
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And dumb as ****.

Nice arm with a 10 cent brain.
No argument there...
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:30 AM   #557
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And dumb as ****.

Nice arm with a 10 cent brain.
He was by no means dumb.

His weakness was that when put on the spot, in that moment, pants were $3it.

He couldn't think under pressure. He could have a 220 IQ but under pressure a baboon could solve puzzles faster.

Guy just folded under pressure...
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:32 AM   #558
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He was by no means dumb.

His weakness was that when put on the spot, in that moment, pants were $3it.

He couldn't think under pressure. He could have a 220 IQ but under pressure a baboon could solve puzzles faster.

Guy just folded under pressure...
We are talking about decisions with the football.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:22 AM   #560
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At this time in '08 (I believe), Flacco was being mocked in the second. Thought to have an outside chance of going late in the first.

Hindsight is shaping so much of this debate.
yep, Mayock was insisting that Flacco was an early to mid second pick till the day of the draft he changed his tune by saying he was going in the 1st.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:28 AM   #562
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For the past week or so I was convinced that Joeckel would be the pick, based on what Reid, Dorsey, and Hunt had said, but I'm starting to think that Smith will rise up on most teams draft boards, including the Chiefs, to the point where, he may not be THE top player on their board, but he'll be close enough to justify taking him #1.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:29 AM   #563
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I really don't want you guys to make a Jamarcus Russell mistake with Geno but hey, do what you gotta do.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:31 AM   #564
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I really don't want you guys to make a Jamarcus Russell mistake with Geno but hey, do what you gotta do.
Not really possible anymore with the new rookie pay scale.
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I really don't want you guys to make a Jamarcus Russell mistake with Geno but hey, do what you gotta do.
You should hope Geno pans out. I hope Pyror does so we can have Chiefs/Raiders games that mean something. I miss the AFCW being a legitimate division.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:44 AM   #566
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Better arm, better zip, prostyle offense, tough.

Only thing I don't like about Wilson is he has a funky delivery when the ball comes out.
The ONLY one thing I don't like about Wilson is his head injuries. That's a fairly big red flag to me, otherwise there is very little I don't like about him.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:46 AM   #567
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Don't forget to mention that he doesn't have very good pocket presence and takes a lot of uneccessary hits that have led to the concussions. Oh, that's right, he's "tough." Which is code for he's got the shit kicked out of him and he now has a red flag because of those concussions.

He also tends to put the ball in the defenders hands when he needs to push the ball downfield.

Better arm than this?:




And this is proper toughness in the pocket:



This is a potential Casselish fetal position dude:



Watch as he shortens his stance and throwing motion when he sees the defender come through in front of him. He also cuts off the deep option and dumps it to the safety read. Not cool.
COME ON MAN!!... Way to base your argument on two selective highlight clips.
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You should hope Geno pans out. I hope Pyror does so we can have Chiefs/Raiders games that mean something. I miss the AFCW being a legitimate division.
We have 1 more year of struggling before the Reggie era starts taking shape...

Don't be disappointed if the Chiefs opt for free agency for a QB rather than Geno...

I wish we had chose a F/A
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Biggest criticism of Geno is mental toughness, i.e. ability to win coming from behind. But how much of that is on the WV coaching staff? A lot of questions about the QB's will be answered in the next couple of months.
That is my biggest unanswered question about him. If I knew for sure he had 75% of Russel Wilson's mental toughness, I'd be firmly among the rest of the resident screaming Geno groupies of the CP. That's why I'm reserving my judgement until after the combine.
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This.

Name the last LT that pushed his team to a SB...
Here's a list of the most recent Hall of Fame OT's and guys generally regarded as the best:

Willie Roaf...no, wait...

How about Anthony Munoz? Eh...

Jackie Slater?

Joe Thomas?

Jake Long?

Tony Boselli?

Bruce Matthews?

The closest you are going to get is the following:

Orlando Pace was in Super Bowl 36 in 2002.

Johnathan Ogden was in Super Bowl 35 in 2001.

And it was the Ravens defense that was the reason they were in the Super Bowl.

So, the last premiere NFL tackle to have actually been a key cog for the team appearing in the Super Bowl was probably Orlando Pace. Eleven years ago.
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