9/11 had to of been an inside job

[Richard_Cuckold]

I just watched Loose Change for the first time and was blown away. The evidence in that film is DAMNING.

I'm now convinced that the US Gov was in on 9/11 and did it so they could start a war in the Middle East. Also maybe Israel was in on it as well.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

what does any of this mean?? take a deep breath woman

This means if society really breaks down like you doomsday preppers worry about - what do you think it going to happen? Do you think everyone is just going to retreat to their homes and starve to death? Or possibly the groups who are already organized and have weapons (army, natl guard, street gangs) will go around plundering? How well do you think you'll stand up against them?

[DJJasonp]

and here we are, yet again.....those that believe the official story are sheeple....those that dont believe the official story are tin-foil hat-wearing loons.

Here are my 2 cents on this (for what it's worth):


- I hate when people say "our government" was behind 9/11. That is WAY too broad of stroke to paint on this topic. Were there people "in the know"? Probably. But any operation like this - IF it wasnt what the official story says - would be a CIA op.

- 9/11 commission report and Cheney/Bush. Members resigned (google senator max cleland)....others said that it was very apparent an "end result" was known early on...and they were being led to that throughout the process; Bush/Cheney refusing to testify under oath and with no media

- Prior knowledge of intent to attack; The administration knew....Rice was quoted....and the now famous document "bin laden determined to strike US" (daily brief to president on August 6, 2001)

- Bin laden was getting dialysis treatment in US hospital (Dubai I think it was) in July/August of 2001.....So if we knew Bin Laden was "determined to strike..." in August of 2001....???

- Building 7 wasnt hit by planes, yet it went down. Whether you buy into the "Pull it" statement or not, there's smoke here. The 9/11 commission didnt address it....why? If you believe "debris" caused Bldg 7 to go down.....that's the line in the sand on believing official statements or not apparently

- Shanksville. Multiple eye witnesses on-site said they went to the crash site - and nothing was there. No luggage, no engines....no bodies....no nothing. My theory: It was shot down....and our gov't didnt feel the american people could handle the truth.

- San Diego. Two of the hijackers were living in a known FBI informants apartment. http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-11/u...hazmi?_s=PM:US

-Pentagon. Why was the security tape confiscated so quickly? And why not just shut up the entire conspiracy movement by releasing the entire tape? In one release to the public, much of the truth movement could be squashed by releasing the entire footage of a "plane" hitting the pentagon. But nope....for some reason we're shown a 1/2 second "blur"

- Intel day of and after 9/11. 9/11 was the greatest detective work ever processed in the history of our world. Within days we knew who was responsible (Bin laden did NOT claim the attacks....Sept 17 and Oct 16 he denied responsibility....but take that for what its worth I guess); Additionally, passport of hijacker found in rubble of ground zero. This is the one that cracks me up the most.....again, if you think finding an intact passport amidst the rubble at ground zero is well within the reasonable/plausible - well, again, we'll have to agree to disagree

- Troop totals and Afghanistan/Iraq. The single worst attack on US soil....and within days our government knows who is responsible....and how many troops do we send to Afghanistan to find public enemy #1? 1,300 troops. And what did we accomplish in Afghanistan? Anyone know off of the top of their head? And why, within a year, the US starts diverting our attention to a greater threat - Saddam!!! (where members of our government have gone on record saying the bush administration made it clear early on after 9/11 that Hussein was the real target

- End game? TSA stripping grandma and grandpa....fondling your kids....showing up in bus stations, railways....football games. The internet, veterans, and any gun owner being demonized and labeled as a threat (and dare I say it....domestic terrorist). Emails and phone calls being monitored. Countless millions/billions made by the Carlyle group and Halliburton. Not to mention whatever oil deals we struck as part of our "retribution" for 9/11. And building permanent bases in as many countries in the middle east that are willing to take a check from the US as payoff.

I dont know exactly what happened on 9/11.....but what I DO believe is that the US is a radically different country today, than what it was in 2000. And I think there's more holes in the "official" story than swiss cheese.

Does that mean you are a loon or sheeple, based upon believing it or not - nope. You're free to believe whatever you want to believe. I dont look down on others based upon their OPINIONS. I can disagree.

I mean c'mon....if you are pro-guns or pro-abortion, yada yada yada.....when was the last time someone gave you a speech that made you change your mind?

Peace...

[Buzz_TinBalls]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This means if society really breaks down like you doomsday preppers worry about - what do you think it going to happen? Do you think everyone is just going to retreat to their homes and starve to death? Or possibly the groups who are already organized and have weapons (army, natl guard, street gangs) will go around plundering? How well do you think you'll stand up against them?

take the rest of your life to study "the great depression" let me know if you think it was a conspiracy. k.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

- Shanksville. Multiple eye witnesses on-site said they went to the crash site - and nothing was there. No luggage, no engines....no bodies....no nothing. My theory: It was shot down....and our gov't didnt feel the american people could handle the truth.

And all those phone conversations that the passengers had with their family's that they were going to try to retake the plane are all fake?

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

- Bin laden was getting dialysis treatment in US hospital (Dubai I think it was) in July/August of 2001.....So if we knew Bin Laden was "determined to strike..." in August of 2001....???

BS. Your timeline and facts are off.

I'm not going to item by item and debunk your conclusions. You need to step back and see the reality, not the conspiracy.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

take the rest of your life to study "the great depression" let me know if you think it was a conspiracy. k.

Did society breakdown in the Great Depression to the point where people needed guns to protect themselves from roving bands of marauders? I think most people who really suffered in the Great Depression would rather have food than a gun.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Did society breakdown in the Great Depression to the point where people needed guns to protect themselves from roving bands of marauders? I think most people who really suffered in the Great Depression would rather have food than a gun.

The gun gathers the food.
By the way I make the best dam squirrel brains north of the Mason Dixie line

[teedubya]

Most people spend zero time on objective discernment.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

The gun gathers the food.
By the way I make the best dam squirrel brains north of the Mason Dixie line

That's possibly as dubious a credential as being the best quarterback on the Kansas City Chiefs.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

That's possibly as dubious a credential as being the best quarterback on the Kansas City Chiefs.

No argument here

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If we don't agree with your conclusions we are just sheeple?

Do you realize how many people have seen the video of the plane hitting the pentagon?

The nice thing about being a conspiracy nut is that when confronted with stuff like video and pictures, you can just dismiss them--"fake."

What about people actually on the scene--"actors."

[DJJasonp]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

And all those phone conversations that the passengers had with their family's that they were going to try to retake the plane are all fake?
BS. Your timeline and facts are off.

I'm not going to item by item and debunk your conclusions. You need to step back and see the reality, not the conspiracy.

Wow. A "BS response"....and absolutely ZERO facts to support your claim (opinion).

Well...I'll go the extra mile and help you....

First off - I never said phone calls were faked. That was your assumption. What I said was, the plane over shanksville was PROBABLY shot down by US jets. What's the big stretch there?

Multiple reporters said they got to the crash site - and found nothing.

“There was no plane,” Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003:

“My sister and a good friend of mine were the first ones there,” Stull said. “They were standing on a street corner in Shanksville talking. Their car was nearby, so they were the first here—and the fire department came. Everyone was puzzled, because the call had been that a plane had crashed. But there was no plane.”

“They had been sent here because of a crash, but there was no plane?” the reporter asked.

“No. Nothing. Only this hole.”

And of course....this classic freudian slip:




And as for Bin Laden being in US hospitals prior to 9/11:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CBS203A.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...stan.terrorism

I highly doubt you'll take the time to view the links and prove yourself wrong about the timeline.....but regardless....dont make a-hole statements without bringing in some facts, or at the very least, a counterpoint opinion to the discussion.

I'll restate what I've said before.....I RESPECT your opinion. So have some respect for mine (and not just post "BS!!!!" response to honest opinions).

I realize its uncomfortable for people to CONSIDER these issues being anything other than what's fed to them by the 9/11 commission and Sean Hannity........but again, that doesnt make you right.

Nor does it make me right.

They're just opinions.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

and here we are, yet again.....those that believe the official story are sheeple....those that dont believe the official story are tin-foil hat-wearing loons.

Here are my 2 cents on this (for what it's worth):


- I hate when people say "our government" was behind 9/11. That is WAY too broad of stroke to paint on this topic. Were there people "in the know"? Probably. But any operation like this - IF it wasnt what the official story says - would be a CIA op.

- 9/11 commission report and Cheney/Bush. Members resigned (google senator max cleland)....others said that it was very apparent an "end result" was known early on...and they were being led to that throughout the process; Bush/Cheney refusing to testify under oath and with no media

- Prior knowledge of intent to attack; The administration knew....Rice was quoted....and the now famous document "bin laden determined to strike US" (daily brief to president on August 6, 2001)

- Bin laden was getting dialysis treatment in US hospital (Dubai I think it was) in July/August of 2001.....So if we knew Bin Laden was "determined to strike..." in August of 2001....???

- Building 7 wasnt hit by planes, yet it went down. Whether you buy into the "Pull it" statement or not, there's smoke here. The 9/11 commission didnt address it....why? If you believe "debris" caused Bldg 7 to go down.....that's the line in the sand on believing official statements or not apparently

- Shanksville. Multiple eye witnesses on-site said they went to the crash site - and nothing was there. No luggage, no engines....no bodies....no nothing. My theory: It was shot down....and our gov't didnt feel the american people could handle the truth.

- San Diego. Two of the hijackers were living in a known FBI informants apartment. http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-11/u...hazmi?_s=PM:US

-Pentagon. Why was the security tape confiscated so quickly? And why not just shut up the entire conspiracy movement by releasing the entire tape? In one release to the public, much of the truth movement could be squashed by releasing the entire footage of a "plane" hitting the pentagon. But nope....for some reason we're shown a 1/2 second "blur"

- Intel day of and after 9/11. 9/11 was the greatest detective work ever processed in the history of our world. Within days we knew who was responsible (Bin laden did NOT claim the attacks....Sept 17 and Oct 16 he denied responsibility....but take that for what its worth I guess); Additionally, passport of hijacker found in rubble of ground zero. This is the one that cracks me up the most.....again, if you think finding an intact passport amidst the rubble at ground zero is well within the reasonable/plausible - well, again, we'll have to agree to disagree

- Troop totals and Afghanistan/Iraq. The single worst attack on US soil....and within days our government knows who is responsible....and how many troops do we send to Afghanistan to find public enemy #1? 1,300 troops. And what did we accomplish in Afghanistan? Anyone know off of the top of their head? And why, within a year, the US starts diverting our attention to a greater threat - Saddam!!! (where members of our government have gone on record saying the bush administration made it clear early on after 9/11 that Hussein was the real target

- End game? TSA stripping grandma and grandpa....fondling your kids....showing up in bus stations, railways....football games. The internet, veterans, and any gun owner being demonized and labeled as a threat (and dare I say it....domestic terrorist). Emails and phone calls being monitored. Countless millions/billions made by the Carlyle group and Halliburton. Not to mention whatever oil deals we struck as part of our "retribution" for 9/11. And building permanent bases in as many countries in the middle east that are willing to take a check from the US as payoff.

I dont know exactly what happened on 9/11.....but what I DO believe is that the US is a radically different country today, than what it was in 2000. And I think there's more holes in the "official" story than swiss cheese.

Does that mean you are a loon or sheeple, based upon believing it or not - nope. You're free to believe whatever you want to believe. I dont look down on others based upon their OPINIONS. I can disagree.

I mean c'mon....if you are pro-guns or pro-abortion, yada yada yada.....when was the last time someone gave you a speech that made you change your mind?

Peace...

Dude you're a quack. Those things are all hogwash because the govt and the 9/11 commission say so.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Wow. A "BS response"....and absolutely ZERO facts to support your claim (opinion).

You are stating opinions. I have seen and state those facts. Believe what you want but 9/11 was not a government conspiracy.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

“There was no plane,” Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003:

“My sister and a good friend of mine were the first ones there,” Stull said. “They were standing on a street corner in Shanksville talking. Their car was nearby, so they were the first here—and the fire department came. Everyone was puzzled, because the call had been that a plane had crashed. But there was no plane.”

“They had been sent here because of a crash, but there was no plane?” the reporter asked.

“No. Nothing. Only this hole.”

Apparently, something was lost in translation with the German TV station.

When Der Spiegel confronts Stull with the English translation of these passages in the book and the film script, the man is speechless: "My statements were taken completely out of context. Of course there was an airplane. It's just that there wasn't much left of it after the explosion. That's what I meant when I said 'no airplane'. I saw parts of the wreckage with my own eyes, even one of the engines. It was lying in the bushes."

http://www.911myths.com/html/there_was_no_plane.html

[LoneWolf]

I'm confused. So what some are saying is that if a plane gets shot down that none of the plane parts fall to the ground? Also, if the plane was shot down in supposedly microscopic pieces, what caused the hole in the ground the witnesses claimed seeing.