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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:40 PM   #616
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This.

Lots of people will eat Crow if he busts...
And that's the kicker.

If he DOESN'T bust, the idiots will just crawl back into the woodwork and disappear.

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Old 01-20-2013, 06:41 PM   #617
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I'm not just a Youtube/only the Pinstripe Bowl game watcher either.

I've watched him a lot the last 2 years.

There's things that are concerning (as there is with every one this year), but I do like him the best after watching more of his games again.

The Texas Tech and Kansas State games were awful. The K-State game especially. Threw into coverage a ton, didn't look comfortable. I expect those games to be honest. However, when you come on here, and read some of this god damn Knowmo inspired posts, you would have thought those games were a figment of my imagination.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:41 PM   #618
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And that's the kicker.

If he DOESN'T bust, the idiots will just crawl back into the woodwork and disappear.

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No, they'll probably bask in the glory of it all.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:42 PM   #619
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It's not reaction. There's literally people on here who want to paint the picture that even when he plays a bad game, it's really not that bad of a game, which is complete bullshit.

I haven't seen much of those comparisons at all.

When you say he had a bad bowl game, Sacconothing, and a few others want to jump out of their skin with a laundry list of excuses.

I'm not a Geno hater. I think he should be the pick. But those painting him as this can't miss, flawless prospect, and want to re-create the bad game matrix are ****ing stupid.

I'm not including you in this.
I agree, I'm very high on Geno but Saccoppo takes his homering to another level.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:43 PM   #620
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And that's the kicker.

If he DOESN'T bust, the idiots will just crawl back into the woodwork and disappear.

Trolls are so much fun.
I'd be fine if we take him. I'd be happy.

But there are people on this forum that are willing to alienate this regime if they don't pick him with the #1 overall pick...because he is can't miss.

I, like others, am not going to judge this regime off of one pick. I am willing to give them a couple of seasons to see how they build the QB position.

Geno isn't the ONLY solution to our QB problems...many on this board don't understand that.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:44 PM   #621
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I agree, I'm very high on Geno but Saccoppo takes his homering to another level.
Sac has a very good read on what Geno is capable of, but he as always gone overboard when he has his sights set on a given player.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:44 PM   #622
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It is a reaction.

You're talking about the tenor of the discussion TODAY. It's absolutely different today than it was.

NOBODY, not even Sac, thinks he's a cant miss prospect.

But one can only take so much "he reminds me of Jamarcus Russell" before one snaps.

EDIT: and no offense, but if you haven't seen the comparisons, you really haven't been paying attention. The official Geno thread got invaded and it hasn't been the same since - for EITHER side of the argument.
JR was a helluva lot better in College than Geno
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:44 PM   #623
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It is a reaction.

You're talking about the tenor of the discussion TODAY. It's absolutely different today than it was.

NOBODY, not even Sac, thinks he's a cant miss prospect.

But one can only take so much "he reminds me of Jamarcus Russell" before one snaps.
I'm more talking about the "well his bad games weren't really that bad". I watched them. They were that bad. You can't use stats and a few Youtube clips to tell me a different story.
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I'm not just a Youtube/only the Pinstripe Bowl game watcher either.

I've watched him a lot the last 2 years.

There's things that are concerning (as there is with every one this year), but I do like him the best after watching more of his games again.

The Texas Tech and Kansas State games were awful. The K-State game especially. Threw into coverage a ton, didn't look comfortable. I expect those games to be honest. However, when you come on here, and read some of this god damn Knowmo inspired posts, you would have thought those games were a figment of my imagination.
It's obvious you're coming into this mid-conversation. I will leave it at that.
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JR was a helluva lot better in College than Geno
Not really.
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This.

Lots of people will eat Crow if he busts...
**** that. Are you going to eat crow if Tyler Wilson isn't a great NFL QB?

We're people who want to see the Chiefs draft Geno Smith. We think he's really good. If they do draft him, we'll be REALLY pumped for him.

Nothing more. We're not Miss Cleos.
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I agree, I'm very high on Geno but Saccoppo takes his homering to another level.
Because some of the arguments that got brought up took absurd to another level.

Seriously, Sac didn't start this in a vacuum.
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JR was a helluva lot better in College than Geno
First of all, that wasn't the point. Anybody that has seen both of them play knows they have nothing in common really, outside of the color of their skin.

Second, well...
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