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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:35 PM   #706
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Really? You of all people? The guy who says, "Go **** your mother" when somebody posts some shitassed piece of idiotic tripe (like tooge just did) is telling me to tone down the hyperbole?
Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. But ripping a guy professionally because his football views are different from yours or mine is a bit much, IMO.

And since my return, I've toned down the hyperbole considerably. I've grown tired and weary of calling people names just because they are either not as informed or have a different opinion from mine.

Plus, I've known Tooge since we were 12 or 13 years old. He's good people and far from the village idiot.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:37 PM   #707
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So, let's get this right...

You are whining about the "Geno supporters" going overboard defending him, but you state that you haven't checked stats, don't care to, probably haven't watched the games (because if you did, you'd see Geno making big throw after big throw into tight windows in an effort to keep his team in the game while not putting the ball into the defenses hands) and are just going off your minimalistic "perception?"
See now you are speculating. I have attached what I posted in a thread I started on another forum months ago and kept updating it. I think I might have even posted this chart here once, I just don't recall in what thread.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #708
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Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. But ripping a guy professionally because his football views are different from yours or mine is a bit much, IMO.

And since my return, I've toned down the hyperbole considerably. I've grown tired and weary of calling people names just because they are either not as informed or have a different opinion from mine.

Plus, I've known Tooge since we were 12 or 13 years old. He's good people and far from the village idiot.
I don't care if he's your grandmother. He posted a pretty ****ing stupid thing.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #709
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Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. But ripping a guy professionally because his football views are different from yours or mine is a bit much, IMO.

And since my return, I've toned down the hyperbole considerably. I've grown tired and weary of calling people names just because they are either not as informed or have a different opinion from mine.

Plus, I've known Tooge since we were 12 or 13 years old. He's good people and far from the village idiot.
He wasn't ripping him professionally.

He was ripping on the comparison between tooge's professional acumen and somebody who runs a football team...
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:42 PM   #710
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I don't care if he's your grandmother. He posted a pretty ****ing stupid thing.
And therefore he should be insulted for his profession. Got it.

It's good to know that absolutely anything and everything is now acceptable to say in this forum.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:44 PM   #711
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He wasn't ripping him professionally.

He was ripping on the comparison between tooge's professional acumen and somebody who runs a football team...
Really? Saying that if he was the last dentist in the entire world, he wouldn't visit him?

The hyperbole around here is absolutely insane. I think it's ****ing comical that L.A. Chieffan gets banned because of his "Cassel Trolling", yet a group of people do the same exact thing in regards to Eugene Smith.

Actually, it's not comical. It's the same ****ing thing, only worse, because it's not done for laughs.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:44 PM   #712
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And therefore he should be insulted for his profession. Got it.

It's good to know that absolutely anything and everything is now acceptable to say in this forum.
I didn't say anything about his profession. I think I even said he was a, "Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate."

That part at the end was me calling him a dumbass. Which is what he was being at the time.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:46 PM   #713
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It's good to know that absolutely anything and everything is now acceptable to say in this forum.
This is somewhat ironic. Just sayin.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:48 PM   #714
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Really? Saying that if he was the last dentist in the entire world, he wouldn't visit him?

The hyperbole around here is absolutely insane. I think it's ****ing comical that L.A. Chieffan gets banned because of his "Cassel Trolling", yet a group of people do the same exact thing in regards to Eugene Smith.

Actually, it's not comical. It's the same ****ing thing, only worse, because it's not done for laughs.
Dude, this is Chiefsplanet, 2013 edition.

There's nothing here EXCEPT hyperbole. Everything is an over-the-top parody.

You CANNOT HAVE a rational, logical discussion anymore. It's simply not possible.

It is what it is.

I took a break, just like you.

I came back with the idea of being a kinder, gentler poster. Just like you.

It won't work. You'll eventually realize that about 75% of the people that joined in the past year are all actually the same 2 or 3 people, the place is overrun with idiots and trolls, and it's easier just to fight fire with fire.

Just like me.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:50 PM   #715
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This is somewhat ironic. Just sayin.
Right.

Because telling someone to "**** their mother" isn't street vernacular? Telling someone to "**** off" isn't something people say every day?

Furthermore, 90% of the times I've used terms like that are when I'm being personally attacked for my opinion, not the other way around.

It's amazing how short the memories are around here.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:51 PM   #716
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Dude, this is Chiefsplanet, 2013 edition.

There's nothing here EXCEPT hyperbole. Everything is an over-the-top parody.

You CANNOT HAVE a rational, logical discussion anymore. It's simply not possible.

It is what it is.

I took a break, just like you.

I came back with the idea of being a kinder, gentler poster. Just like you.

It won't work. You'll eventually realize that about 75% of the people that joined in the past year are all actually the same 2 or 3 people, the place is overrun with idiots and trolls, and it's easier just to fight fire with fire.

Just like me.
I appreciate this comment and will take it under advisement.
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Really? Saying that if he was the last dentist in the entire world, he wouldn't visit him?
Actually I probably wouldn't if he were the last dentist on earth. So many people would need him more than I would. I have phenomenal oral hygiene.

Dane, just the other day I saw you yell at Detoxing for no apparent reason. You may have toned down the severity of insults you issue around here, but you're still just as guilty of being an asshole as any of us. My hyperbolic way of calling tooge a dumbass is FAR from a terrible thing compared to many things I and nearly everybody on this forum has said in the past.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:58 PM   #718
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Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate

Equals

Guy who works for a sports franchise, whose job does not require the professional and tense fortitude built upon years of highly focused training, whose decisions don't affect the health and well-being of thousands of people, and whose decisions on player personnel have a success rate at or around 30%

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.
I don't like dense patients, so don't bother calling my office. I prefer my patients own their own problems. If you are unable to understand that the fact that John Dorsey doesn't make decisions that affect the health of people, in no way diminishes his expertise and professionalism, then you are the idiot here. The guy has been in the NFL for over 20 years. I think he knows more about scouting individuals coming out of college and what to look for in a player better than 99% of the untrained people out there.

I'm not a mechanic, but I'm restoring an old jeep. I'd love to have the knowledge of a mechanic while I was doing it, but I'm having to learn as I go. I'd think after twenty such restorations, I'd probably have a pretty good handle on what I'm doing. It has nothing to do with health. Yes, I do thousands of intricate procedures a year, and yes, it takes some important decision making to do it correctly 100 percent of the time. You are clueless. Will someone explain this to SNR?
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Dude, this is Chiefsplanet, 2013 edition.

There's nothing here EXCEPT hyperbole. Everything is an over-the-top parody.

You CANNOT HAVE a rational, logical discussion anymore. It's simply not possible.

It is what it is.

I took a break, just like you.

I came back with the idea of being a kinder, gentler poster. Just like you.

It won't work. You'll eventually realize that about 75% of the people that joined in the past year are all actually the same 2 or 3 people, the place is overrun with idiots and trolls, and it's easier just to fight fire with fire.

Just like me.
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Since when did this become ****The Official Jerry Springer Thread*****

The damn season didn't even end yet and the pussification begins.
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