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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

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For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:14 PM   #736
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I think some fans are under the impression that people like me are going to go off the deep end on Reid/Dorsey if they pick anything but Geno at #1 overall. That's simply not true.

But if they take ****ing Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei at #1, I WILL ****ing be livid. I will be livid if we trade for Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Flynn and DON'T draft one of the top QB prospects in the draft. I will be livid if they equate what is claimed by some to be a bad QB class with a class that involves not drafting a single ****ing QB at all.

Just because Reid and Dorsey aren't Scott Pioli doesn't mean they shouldn't be shit****ed if they trade for their version of Cassel and draft their version of Tyson Jackson. And I would hope that after all we've been through with that shitshow, people would be way smarter about that kind of thing.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:16 PM   #737
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I think some fans are under the impression that people like me are going to go off the deep end on Reid/Dorsey if they pick anything but Geno at #1 overall. That's simply not true.

But if they take ****ing Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei at #1, I WILL ****ing be livid. I will be livid if we trade for Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Flynn and DON'T draft one of the top QB prospects in the draft. I will be livid if they equate what is claimed by some to be a bad QB class with a class that involves not drafting a single ****ing QB at all.

Just because Reid and Dorsey aren't Scott ***** doesn't mean they shouldn't be shit****ed if they trade for their version of Cassel and draft their version of Tyson Jackson. And I would hope that after all we've been through with that shitshow, people would be way smarter about that kind of thing.
Indeed. They go full Pioli and these bastards will deserved to be mother****ed all over the first page and beyond.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:21 PM   #738
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I think some fans are under the impression that people like me are going to go off the deep end on Reid/Dorsey if they pick anything but Geno at #1 overall. That's simply not true.

But if they take ****ing Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei at #1, I WILL ****ing be livid. I will be livid if we trade for Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Flynn and DON'T draft one of the top QB prospects in the draft. I will be livid if they equate what is claimed by some to be a bad QB class with a class that involves not drafting a single ****ing QB at all.

Just because Reid and Dorsey aren't Scott ***** doesn't mean they shouldn't be shit****ed if they trade for their version of Cassel and draft their version of Tyson Jackson. And I would hope that after all we've been through with that shitshow, people would be way smarter about that kind of thing.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:59 PM   #739
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I think some fans are under the impression that people like me are going to go off the deep end on Reid/Dorsey if they pick anything but Geno at #1 overall. That's simply not true.

But if they take ****ing Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei at #1, I WILL ****ing be livid. I will be livid if we trade for Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Flynn and DON'T draft one of the top QB prospects in the draft. I will be livid if they equate what is claimed by some to be a bad QB class with a class that involves not drafting a single ****ing QB at all.

Just because Reid and Dorsey aren't Scott ***** doesn't mean they shouldn't be shit****ed if they trade for their version of Cassel and draft their version of Tyson Jackson. And I would hope that after all we've been through with that shitshow, people would be way smarter about that kind of thing.
If they give up picks for any of those three guys, which they would likely have to do as they are all under contract, I'm going to be pissed.

Jason Campbell is as good as any of those dudes and is an UFA.

If they pick Joeckel #1 while being one draft and one season FA removed from Stephenson, Allen and Winston, and don't make a reasonable offer to Albert, they can suck my winky.

If they pick Lotulelei #1 after picking Poe with the #11 pick last season, they can go scrape out my ass tracks from my undies with their teeth.

If they take a pass rushing end #1 with Hali and Houston on the roster they can get raped by a water buffalo.

If they take Chance Warmack #1 they should be shot in the face repeatedly. And that's not even considering that they took Hudson and Asamoah recently.

If they take Manti Te'o #1, see above. All of the above.

The only logical, rational and sane choices that they have are Dee Milliner at CB or Geno Smith at QB.

And I'm not convinced that Milliner is substantially better than either Banks, Rhodes or Amerson (they are all long, big, fluid press cover guys who would be ideal opposite Flowers), and one of those guys is going to be available with our Round 2 pick.

Whereas the left overs from the QB position are going to be substantially less than what Geno brings to the table.

That's how I see it in a nutshell.
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I think some fans are under the impression that people like me are going to go off the deep end on Reid/Dorsey if they pick anything but Geno at #1 overall. That's simply not true.

But if they take ****ing Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei at #1, I WILL ****ing be livid. I will be livid if we trade for Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Flynn and DON'T draft one of the top QB prospects in the draft. I will be livid if they equate what is claimed by some to be a bad QB class with a class that involves not drafting a single ****ing QB at all.

Just because Reid and Dorsey aren't Scott ***** doesn't mean they shouldn't be shit****ed if they trade for their version of Cassel and draft their version of Tyson Jackson. And I would hope that after all we've been through with that shitshow, people would be way smarter about that kind of thing.
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I think some fans are under the impression that people like me are going to go off the deep end on Reid/Dorsey if they pick anything but Geno at #1 overall. That's simply not true.

But if they take ****ing Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei at #1, I WILL ****ing be livid. I will be livid if we trade for Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Flynn and DON'T draft one of the top QB prospects in the draft. I will be livid if they equate what is claimed by some to be a bad QB class with a class that involves not drafting a single ****ing QB at all.

Just because Reid and Dorsey aren't Scott ***** doesn't mean they shouldn't be shit****ed if they trade for their version of Cassel and draft their version of Tyson Jackson. And I would hope that after all we've been through with that shitshow, people would be way smarter about that kind of thing.
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If Dorsey and Reid chose to pass on Geno Smith and go off the reservation by taking a guy that is considered a reach, fine. I applaud them for making their own decision and I hope it works out.

But...if the player they choose doesn't live up to their expectations and Geno goes on to destroy worlds, they deserve the ridicule for their poor decision and us on CP will be right again.
and for some, the reverse of that would be the same
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:07 PM   #743
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Being called a jackass for having a different opinion that you says quite a bit about you. Now, lets see if you can understand this. Forget what I do for a living for a moment if you would. Fans can be skeptical all they want. They pay the money that runs the NFL. However, to insinuate that fans know as much about the players coming out of college as the NFL FO people is ludicrous. And if you accept that as fact, then to say a fan would be "pissed" at a draft pick, before the player even has a chance to don pads, is ludicrous. We, as fans, have the benefit of hindsight to bash these guys picking the college players, so don't act like you've got it all figured out. If you do, then why don't you write down all the guys you think every team should draft, round by round, and why. We can then discuss this in three years to see if you have any credibility.
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So we are back to the old "if you know so much why don't you work in the NFL" or "this guy is a GM, he knows more than you" shit.


There are people on Cp who could absolutely be as good any scout or GM there is.
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So we are back to the old "if you know so much why don't you work in the NFL" or "this guy is a GM, he knows more than you" shit.


There are people on Cp who could absolutely be as good any scout or GM there is.
Some of the best analysts in the business started out as FANS, not as players or front office people.
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And I'm amazed that any Chiefs fan will be pissed if the Chiefs draft a QB at 1 overall, even if it isn't the guy you personally want.
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And I'm amazed that any Chiefs fan will be pissed if the Chiefs draft a QB at 1 overall, even if it isn't the guy you personally want.
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If they give up picks for any of those three guys, which they would likely have to do as they are all under contract, I'm going to be pissed.

Jason Campbell is as good as any of those dudes and is an UFA.

If they pick Joeckel #1 while being one draft and one season FA removed from Stephenson, Allen and Winston, and don't make a reasonable offer to Albert, they can suck my winky.

If they pick Lotulelei #1 after picking Poe with the #11 pick last season, they can go scrape out my ass tracks from my undies with their teeth.

If they take a pass rushing end #1 with Hali and Houston on the roster they can get raped by a water buffalo.

If they take Chance Warmack #1 they should be shot in the face repeatedly. And that's not even considering that they took Hudson and Asamoah recently.

If they take Manti Te'o #1, see above. All of the above.

The only logical, rational and sane choices that they have are Dee Milliner at CB or Geno Smith at QB.

And I'm not convinced that Milliner is substantially better than either Banks, Rhodes or Amerson (they are all long, big, fluid press cover guys who would be ideal opposite Flowers), and one of those guys is going to be available with our Round 2 pick.

Whereas the left overs from the QB position are going to be substantially less than what Geno brings to the table.

That's how I see it in a nutshell.
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No shit.
Even more disturbing, is that from what I've heard on the radio, some people actually want the first option to come from trading for someone's backup.


I don't understand. Are they just scared that if we draft one he'll bust? They only are willing to draft a sure thing?
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