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Old 01-21-2013, 11:34 AM  
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:09 PM   #61
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he sucked in kc, and sucked in houston....

he got torched regularly
He was a Strong Safety being asked to play a cover-2, almost FS.

He was being mis-used badly. Once he was asked to play a true SS, as he should've been from the start, he's been an excellent player.

I said it when we cut him - it was an unbelievably stupid, shortsighted decision and it was the one that fully and finally sold me against that arrogant ****stain (back when you were still telling folks to shut up and kiss his Super Bowl rings).

It's okay to admit it when you mis-fire on a decision. You, and everyone else that supported cutting Bernard Pollard, were flat ****ing wrong.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:12 PM   #62
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He was a Strong Safety being asked to play a cover-2, almost FS.

He was being mis-used badly. Once he was asked to play a true SS, as he should've been from the start, he's been an excellent player.

I said it when we cut him - it was an unbelievably stupid, shortsighted decision and it was the one that fully and finally sold me against that arrogant ****stain (back when you were still telling folks to shut up and kiss his Super Bowl rings).

It's okay to admit it when you mis-fire on a decision. You, and everyone else that supported cutting Bernard Pollard, were flat ****ing wrong.
He sucked in houston too.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:15 PM   #63
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he was a stop gap in Houston

that team didnt get good until their scheme change. Bernie wasnt there for the Wade Phillips defense that put that team on the map

all those guys sucked in Houston prior to that. Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans, Connor Barwin, Antonio Smith, whatever secondary scrubs there were, garbage.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:18 PM   #64
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He sucked in houston too.
No he didn't.

You people just refuse to recognize a middle-ground between All Pros and shitty players. Some guys are just passable starters; every team has a handful of them. The Chiefs don't right now and that's exactly why they're awful. Bernard Pollard has always been the kind of servicable starter that every decent team is going to have a few of and desperately need.

Yes, he got beat on occasion in Houston, just as he did in KC. Why? Because he's not a coverage safety and never will be. Hell, Berry gets beat and he isn't anywhere near the hitter that Pollard is.

His first season as a starter in Houston he had 4 picks and 7 PDs, not to mention 82 tackles. His AV per PFR was 7 (Berry's this season was 8). Hell, I'm pretty sure he was Pro-Bowl alternate that year.

No, he did not 'suck' by any definition of the term. He was a decent player with a killer's mentality that could be victimized by double-moves. He was absolutely a starting caliber Safety and he'd have been no worse than the 2nd best safety on our team every single season since he's been cut.

Cutting him was asinine and showed a severe lack of foresight by ***** as well as a complete inability to recognize and adapt to someone's skill-set. ***** proved that to be his major blind spot his entire time here. Pollard was just another square peg to *****, but since he injured the Don's golden boy, he didn't even attempt to hammer him into a a round hole.

Instead he dumped a 24 yr old, 2 year starter with upside and a decent track record of success. He was a stupid cut and time has only proven that.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:24 PM   #65
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No he didn't.

You people just refuse to recognize a middle-ground between All Pros and shitty players. Some guys are just passable starters; every team has a handful of them. The Chiefs don't right now and that's exactly why they're awful. Bernard Pollard has always been the kind of servicable starter that every decent team is going to have a few of and desperately need.

Yes, he got beat on occasion in Houston, just as he did in KC. Why? Because he's not a coverage safety and never will be. Hell, Berry gets beat and he isn't anywhere near the hitter that Pollard is.

His first season as a starter in Houston he had 4 picks and 7 PDs, not to mention 82 tackles. His AV per PFR was 7 (Berry's this season was 8). Hell, I'm pretty sure he was Pro-Bowl alternate that year.

No, he did not 'suck' by any definition of the term. He was a decent player with a killer's mentality that could be victimized by double-moves. He was absolutely a starting caliber Safety and he'd have been no worse than the 2nd best safety on our team every single season since he's been cut.

Cutting him was asinine and showed a severe lack of foresight by ***** as well as a complete inability to recognize and adapt to someone's skill-set. ***** proved that to be his major blind spot his entire time here. Pollard was just another square peg to *****, but since he injured the Don's golden boy, he didn't even attempt to hammer him into a a round hole.

Instead he dumped a 24 yr old, 2 year starter with upside and a decent track record of success. He was a stupid cut and time has only proven that.
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as a young player he needs teaching and mentoring.. not sure he got that in his first 4 years. Compare his seasons to say a Rodney Harrison... you might be suprised.
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No he didn't.

You people just refuse to recognize a middle-ground between All Pros and shitty players. Some guys are just passable starters; every team has a handful of them. The Chiefs don't right now and that's exactly why they're awful. Bernard Pollard has always been the kind of servicable starter that every decent team is going to have a few of and desperately need.

Yes, he got beat on occasion in Houston, just as he did in KC. Why? Because he's not a coverage safety and never will be. Hell, Berry gets beat and he isn't anywhere near the hitter that Pollard is.

His first season as a starter in Houston he had 4 picks and 7 PDs, not to mention 82 tackles. His AV per PFR was 7 (Berry's this season was 8). Hell, I'm pretty sure he was Pro-Bowl alternate that year.

No, he did not 'suck' by any definition of the term. He was a decent player with a killer's mentality that could be victimized by double-moves. He was absolutely a starting caliber Safety and he'd have been no worse than the 2nd best safety on our team every single season since he's been cut.

Cutting him was asinine and showed a severe lack of foresight by ***** as well as a complete inability to recognize and adapt to someone's skill-set. ***** proved that to be his major blind spot his entire time here. Pollard was just another square peg to *****, but since he injured the Don's golden boy, he didn't even attempt to hammer him into a a round hole.

Instead he dumped a 24 yr old, 2 year starter with upside and a decent track record of success. He was a stupid cut and time has only proven that.
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No he didn't.

You people just refuse to recognize a middle-ground between All Pros and shitty players. Some guys are just passable starters; every team has a handful of them. The Chiefs don't right now and that's exactly why they're awful. Bernard Pollard has always been the kind of servicable starter that every decent team is going to have a few of and desperately need.

Yes, he got beat on occasion in Houston, just as he did in KC. Why? Because he's not a coverage safety and never will be. Hell, Berry gets beat and he isn't anywhere near the hitter that Pollard is.

His first season as a starter in Houston he had 4 picks and 7 PDs, not to mention 82 tackles. His AV per PFR was 7 (Berry's this season was 8). Hell, I'm pretty sure he was Pro-Bowl alternate that year.

No, he did not 'suck' by any definition of the term. He was a decent player with a killer's mentality that could be victimized by double-moves. He was absolutely a starting caliber Safety and he'd have been no worse than the 2nd best safety on our team every single season since he's been cut.

Cutting him was asinine and showed a severe lack of foresight by ***** as well as a complete inability to recognize and adapt to someone's skill-set. ***** proved that to be his major blind spot his entire time here. Pollard was just another square peg to *****, but since he injured the Don's golden boy, he didn't even attempt to hammer him into a a round hole.

Instead he dumped a 24 yr old, 2 year starter with upside and a decent track record of success. He was a stupid cut and time has only proven that.
Man, our sub package would have been interesting as to how teams played us with Pollard still around. You could slide him the box next to DJ, you could have him free lance in cv1 spots, etc.

Pioli was Millen bad when you evaluate all of the roster moves he did. Thankfully, he's set up a solid OL (despite Romeo/Daboll trying to kill Charles this year) that will be excellent for Geno to step into.
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Man, our sub package would have been interesting as to how teams played us with Pollard still around. You could slide him the box next to DJ, you could have him free lance in cv1 spots, etc.

***** was Millen bad when you evaluate all of the roster moves he did. Thankfully, he's set up a solid OL (despite Romeo/Daboll trying to kill Charles this year) that will be excellent for Geno to step into.
Ugh...a secondary with Flowers/Carr and Berry/Pollard.

Eh...that only would've been the best secondary in football had we not tossed half of it in the trash for no return at all. No big deal.

It's pretty funny to see Clay and Sauto in here still grinding the axe on this one. Especially Clay after his love affair with Mike Brown.

The verdict is in here - cutting Bernard Pollard was stupid.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:27 PM   #69
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Ugh...a secondary with Flowers/Carr and Berry/Pollard.

Eh...that only would've been the best secondary in football had we not tossed half of it in the trash for no return at all. No big deal.

It's pretty funny to see Clay and Sauto in here still grinding the axe on this one. Especially Clay after his love affair with Mike Brown.

The verdict is in here - cutting Bernard Pollard was stupid.
Berry wouldnt have been brought here had they kept pollard and yes he did indeed suck in Houston. Theres a reason they didn't keep him.
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It's pretty funny to see Clay and Sauto in here still grinding the axe on this one. Especially Clay after his love affair with Mike Brown.

The verdict is in here - cutting Bernard Pollard was stupid.
Well, in hindsight, yes.

It's hard to say if he would have improved had he stayed here.

He still deserved to be cut based on how horribly he played that preseason and how horrible he had been to that point in his career. The guy was a shitty tackler, and that has zilch to do with scheme.
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Berry wouldnt have been brought here had they kept pollard and yes he did indeed suck in Houston. Theres a reason they didn't keep him.
He didn't suck. There's a reason the Ravens signed him and installed him as a starter from day 1.

Your logic here is absolute shit.

But then again, you were wright there alongside Clay and Sauto in the Pollard threads and you've never been one to actually analyze anything so why would I expect you to look at this intelligently?

Bernard Pollard has never been a 'suck' player. He's been, at his worst, an adequate starter with flaws in his game. And he's been a starter in this league for 6 years now, with more to come.

But yeah...he sucked. Because Billay and Claythan said so. Keep on ****ing that chicken, cornholer.
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That's just not true. The guy missed more tackles than almost every other safety in the league in 2008. He was a huge liability, and when he kept doing the same shit in 2009 preseason, welp, cut.

Holy shit, he was graded 80th out of 83 safeties that year. I mean, come on. He allowed 5 TDs.
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He didn't suck. There's a reason the Ravens signed him and installed him as a starter from day 1.

Your logic here is absolute shit.

But then again, you were wright there alongside Clay and Sauto in the Pollard threads and you've never been one to actually analyze anything so why would I expect you to look at this intelligently?

Bernard Pollard has never been a 'suck' player. He's been, at his worst, an adequate starter with flaws in his game. And he's been a starter in this league for 6 years now, with more to come.

But yeah...he sucked. Because Billay and Claythan said so. Keep on ****ing that chicken, cornholer.
So why did 2 other teams dump him again?
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Well, in hindsight, yes.

It's hard to say if he would have improved had he stayed here.

He still deserved to be cut based on how horribly he played that preseason and how horrible he had been to that point in his career. The guy was a shitty tackler, and that has zilch to do with scheme.
In hindsight my ass, some of us said it in real time and got to listen to you slob off Mike Brown and disparage a relative NFL infant for a technique flaw that an idiot head coach drilled into him.

And no, a 24 yr old kid with 2 seasons as a starter and a decent learning curve never 'deserves' to get cut because of a bad pre-season. Especially not so a 2-14 team could keep a ****ing 32 yr old broke-dick safety that was slower than Sammy Knight instead.

You know who sucked? That asshole. The guy that never played another down of NFL football after we cut him. THAT guy sucked.

You were wrong. Just ****ing admit it and move along. You've got the GIFs you slobbered all over before you had any concept of 'selection bias' and worn out old saws regarding missed tackles in the open field from Strong Safeties, as though every SS in the NFL is just making open-field tackles on guys in space every day.

Really, all you have are the preconceived notions you had when you still thought Scott Pioli was a God. Time has shown us that Scott Pioli is a goddamn idiot and Bernard Pollard is a quality starting Strong Safety in this league.

Just walk away...
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