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Old 01-23-2013, 01:06 AM  
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Eric Fisher displays top-10 talent; major red flag on Justin Pugh

Eric Fisher displays top-10 talent; major red flag on Justin Pugh

MOBILE, Ala. -- Senior Bowl week kicked off on Monday, and there were plenty of interesting developments. I've compiled some notes from the weigh-ins, practices and even hotel chatter. Practice notes were compiled after studying both the North and South sessions on tape Monday evening.

Buzz from the weigh-ins
» Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker stole the show at the weigh-ins. He measured in at 6-foot-4 7/8, 355 pounds, and his arm length was 36 3/8 inches. He wasn't carrying any bad weight for a man that big. Due to a training injury, he won't be practicing this week, but he made the most of his time in Mobile.

» SMU defensive end Margus Hunt was another player who elicited a lot of attention from NFL brass at the weigh-in. He measured in at 6-8 1/4 and weighed 277 pounds. He has the frame to easily add another 20-25 pounds. Hunt is a very raw football player, but his size is very enticing.

» Syracuse offensive tackle Justin Pugh is a very good player on tape, but his lack of length is a concern for pro teams. His arms were just 31 1/2 inches long, and that is a major red flag amongst NFL evaluators. He will likely slide inside to play guard at the next level, making his lack of length less of an issue.

» Arkansas quarterback Tyler Wilson is a talented signal-caller with some upside, but his hand size is less than ideal for the position. His hand measurement of 8 5/8 inches -- well below average -- was a popular topic of conversation among NFL scouts following the weigh-ins.

Practice standouts
» Central Michigan offensive tackle Eric Fisher was the best player on the field in either of Monday's practices. He was dominant in one-on-one pass-rush drills, displaying quick feet, a powerful punch and a strong base. Also, he was physical at the point of attack in the run game. He made it look easy during the entire practice, playing like a top-10 pick.

» While Fisher dominated the North practice, Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson did the same at the South session. Johnson is incredibly athletic, and his ability to redirect in pass protection is rare. He lined up at right tackle during this practice but was likely to slide over to the left side on Tuesday. A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that Johnson was going to be a fast riser up draft boards, and that ascension is well under way.

» Oklahoma product Landry Jones had the best day of all the quarterbacks. He has outstanding arm talent and moved around better in the pocket than he did on tape from the fall. There are a handful of teams that are desperate for a quarterback; Jones made a strong statement to them with his performance on Monday.

» It was a good day for West Coast cornerbacks. Washington's Desmond Trufant, San Diego State's Leon McFadden and Oregon State's Jordan Poyer all made several plays on the ball during Monday's practice. Boise State cornerback Jamar Taylor also had a solid performance.

» There were several interior defensive linemen who had dominant moments on Monday. Purdue's Kawann Short went 5-for-5 in one-on-one pass rush. North Carolina's Sylvester Williams used his quickness to make a lot of plays during the team periods. UCLA's Datone Jones has been training in mixed martial arts with Jay Glazer; his hand usage has improved noticeably from the fall.

» Rice tight end Vance McDonald was far and away the top player at his position. He is explosive in his release and is a very smooth route-runner. He did drop one ball but made several other impressive grabs. He looked like a second-round talent.

» Southeastern Louisiana cornerback Robert Alford is a little raw, but his talent jumps off the tape. He guessed wrong twice during one-on-ones, but his recovery burst was highly impressive. He also showed the awareness to locate and play the ball at the highest point.

» Oregon State wide receiver Markus Wheaton had an excellent practice. He avoided press coverage with his quickness and showed a second gear when the ball went up in the air. He can play outside or line up in the slot. His versatility and play-making skills have the attention of scouts and personnel men.

Sound bites from execs and scouts
» "I can't believe some of these teams are trying to talk themselves into (N.C. State QB) Mike Glennon. I don't see it." -- NFC personnel executive

» "I don't think it's a done deal that (Texas A&M's Luke) Joeckel will be the top offensive tackle taken. In my opinion, Fisher has more upside." -- AFC Scout

» In five years, (Georgia NT) John Jenkins will be a multi-year Pro Bowler or he'll be out of the league. I don't think there will be anything in between." -- NFC executive
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:41 AM   #31
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Oklahoma QB Landry Jones had a mediocre day. He could not throw an accurate out route during the WR drills. The QB coach pulled him aside as well to work on his throwing stance and lessen the distance between his feet but he did not seem to adapt much to this. Had a fumbled exchange with Dalton Freeman at one point as well. Arm strength looked solid but was all over the place in terms of accuracy
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Landry's too shitty. Put him in the toilet.
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Anything about this? Zobel is a retard, so I'm expecting Russ Lande garbage
missed it...at the end he said we should draft jockstrap....so, a joke
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missed it...at the end he said we should draft jockstrap....so, a joke
Of course he did
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• North Carolina St. QB Mike Glennon appears to be the best quarterback in Mobile this year by a fair margin. At least so far. That’s not to say Glennon has been perfect at all times but the positives have outweighed the negatives and he is an easy guy to fall in love with due to that size and effortless arm strength.

• If Glennon is the best quarterback at the 2013 Senior Bowl then Ryan Nassib of Syracuse might be second. Nassib, who spins a pretty ball and can make all of the throws, had some good moments and some bad as well but he was more consistent than Dysert or anyone on the South. But is that enough to get Nassib into Round 1?
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Nassib.


I didn't watch him play, but have heard good things.


What do you guys know about him?
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:45 AM   #38
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These scout guys are scared to death of these QB's at #1 plain and simple. Hopefully trading down is our best option per them.

Of the second rounders, Nassib seems to be the best and fits the WCO.
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these QB evaluations are just all over the place...
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I'd rather have Nassib than Jones in the second. Jones crumbles like a cheap lawn chair with adversity.
I'd rather have Dysert than Nassib. I don't get the Nassib love. I watched a few of his games on youtube and was very unimpressed.
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Nassib is pretty good with the short to mid-range throws but lofts the ball to much on deep balls. Reason scouts think he is perfect for the WCO offense. Guess Dysert is all over the place at the Senior Bowl... More of a footwork issue.

Again these Scouts are gun shy of these QB's. Slightly better than the Gabbert/Ponder/Locker class.
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Anything about this? Zobel is a retard, so I'm expecting Russ Lande garbage
Here's what I wrote in another thread:

Basically said Wilson is impressive...still doesn't think he's worth the first pick unless Chiefs trade back...but said he's easily the best in Mobile. Doesn't like Geno...thinks he's erratic and should have helped his stock by playing in the Senior Bowl. Also said that if we can't trade out of the first pick, we should maybe take Joekel or one of the pass rushers.

What I take from this is that if Wilson delivers in real play in the SB and doesn't do anything that diminishes his stock at the combine, he's our guy...because I have more faith that the Chiefs will take a QB than what these draft "experts" are saying. The positional value HAS to figure into your BPA value.
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I saw Trufant a couple of times this last year. Kid seems like he can play.

CB is arguably our 2nd biggest need on the team. Assuming we go QB in the first, he'd be a strong choice in the 2nd if he lasts that long. Will be interesting to see how projections look as we get closer to the draft.

It's fun to talk QB but we can't forget that CB is another must draft position coming up.
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I saw Trufant a couple of times this last year. Kid seems like he can play.

CB is arguably our 2nd biggest need on the team. Assuming we go QB in the first, he'd be a strong choice in the 2nd if he lasts that long. Will be interesting to see how projections look as we get closer to the draft.

It's fun to talk QB but we can't forget that CB is another must draft position coming up.
I don't see many mock drafts where the Chiefs don't have a huge crop of very talented CBs to choose from with their 2nd rounder. If I'm going by "position" that's absolutely where I would look with that pick.
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