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Old 01-22-2013, 10:58 PM  
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First down Laser - Yay or nay

League continues to resist in-stadium first-down laser
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2013, 9:39 PM EST


The NFL desperately wants to enhance the in-stadium experience. But the NFL continues to resist an innovation that would make watching the game in person a lot more like watching it at home.

For years, the technology has existed to implement a laser system that would make the line to gain visible to everyone in the stadium — including the players, the coaches, and the officials.

Now, with more and more fans choosing to watch on TV, this system helps duplicate the technology that is available during the broadcast of every game.

“We have not been convinced that it would work for us, but we are open to further discussion after the season,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the Associated Press.

The laser is embedded in the orange sticks separated by 10 yards, and the company that makes the device has received financial backing from legendary kicker and broadcaster Pat Summerall.

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Old 01-22-2013, 11:54 PM   #16
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If it is the same as being at home, then why go to the game? Save money proffit. Just trying to use logic to out scheme the NFL money machine.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:56 PM   #17
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I'm all for eliminating the "human element" (aka errors), but I also value a wide receiver that knows where the first down marker is. Why not implement it on a trial basis during the preseason and see the response?

I'm more interested in the NFL setting regulations that would ensure each game is filmed with the exact same number of cameras and angles. Or syncing replay footage and giving the officials a side by side view of two different angles.

Then again, they don't seem interested in making sure fields are safe to play on, so I don't know what I should expect.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:58 PM   #18
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"First down chains could be eliminated. This could shorten the game while adding extra time for commercials"

Because that is what the NFL needs. More commercials.
Yeah. I was totally blown away by the idea of more commercials. So exciting.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:34 AM   #19
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Then we can just put something in the ball that lets you know if it crosses the line. Like a dog shock collar without the shock.

I see both sides. But, anything that makes the game easier for the refs is better for the game, because they are consistently terrible.
That would only work on the goal line. It would not work anywhere else. No way of "the chip" knowing when forward progress was stopped.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:43 AM   #20
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Love the idea....wasting time to measure with a chain is so archaic
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:20 AM   #21
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Well if they're going to do this then they also need the plane of the goal lines extended upward from the field as well so we can know if the ball breaks the plane. The first down laser could be made eye-safe if the divergence was large enough or if face shields filtered the 532 um green wavelength (guessing it would be green due to relatively cheap cost and small size of frequency-doubled Neodymium YAG lasers) but I can't see how it could be projected across the field with 28 sets of feet getting in the way.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:55 AM   #22
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IMO this is overdoing it.

There are certain things about watching a live game that you don't want to change.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:57 AM   #23
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"First down chains could be eliminated. This could shorten the game while adding extra time for commercials"

Because that is what the NFL needs. More commercials.
I think that they say that not in an effort to appeal to you and me, but to the people who would actually be buying the product (league owners, etc).
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:59 AM   #24
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if it is an actual laser that appears on the field this would also help instant replay. Being a sort of tangible string that traverses the entire field would be a much better reference point than trying to judge the angles of the camera relative to the ball and the markers.

pre-season may be a bit too early to use it, but how about the pro bowl? no one gives a crap about that.

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That would only work on the goal line. It would not work anywhere else. No way of "the chip" knowing when forward progress was stopped.
Yes there is. It could work anywhere on the field.
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Well if they're going to do this then they also need the plane of the goal lines extended upward from the field as well so we can know if the ball breaks the plane. The first down laser could be made eye-safe if the divergence was large enough or if face shields filtered the 532 um green wavelength (guessing it would be green due to relatively cheap cost and small size of frequency-doubled Neodymium YAG lasers) but I can't see how it could be projected across the field with 28 sets of feet getting in the way.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #27
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If the officials could actually see the line on the field at the time, I wonder if it would subconsciously affect their ball placement when it was close?
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Put a sensor in both tips of the ball, assuming each ball is the same shape, we could define the entire outer surface of the ball. Then you could have the furthest downfield point of the ball at any time. Sync it with the video, during replays the ref could freeze it at the moment a player was down/out of bounds, and you would have the exact position of the ball.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:10 AM   #29
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You will see a lot more fumbles as players stretch with the ball to get a first down. At the goal line this isn't as much of an issue since it is a TD once the ball breaks the plane. I think it would hurt the quality of the game.
I also like the fact that, right now, it takes a pretty savvy and alert player to know right where the sticks are at the center of the field and make the dive to reach the first down.

With this, there's just a bright ass green line that even a half-with like Snoop Minnis would be able to pick up.

I hate everything added to the game that detracts from any skill. It's why I don't like automated strike zones in baseball (pitching to an umpires zone is a skill). Knowing exactly where the sticks are and when/how you'll need to reach them without a bright green line running through the center of the field is a skill and I don't want to see that marginalized.
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If the officials could actually see the line on the field at the time, I wonder if it would subconsciously affect their ball placement when it was close?
I don't see how it possibly couldn't.

Yeah, I think this would definitely hurt the game.
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