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Old 01-22-2013, 05:53 AM  
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WMD's were found in Iraq

WMD's are chemical, biological, nuclear, or radiological weapons.

Here's a report from the DOD that says munitions containing mustard and sarin gas were found in Iraq.

http://www.defense.gov/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=15918

Here's a report from the house select comittee on intelligence stating the same thing.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...Iac5L9Cm-FUqLw

No nutjob links, but real evidence showing stockpiles of WMD's did in fact exist in Iraq. Just throwing it out for the "bush lied, people died" crowd.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:23 PM   #61
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If you had even a BASIC understanding of chemistry you'd know that saying XZY chemical has ABC shelf life is ridiculous right from the onset. Shelf life? Based on what conditions? How much exposure to reactants? At what temperature? Etc etc..

As if that wasn't ridiculous enough... to say "CHEMICAL AGENTS" as if they are all the same and have similar reaction pathways... is even worse.

These concepts aren't hard.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:24 PM   #62
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:37 PM   #63
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If you had even a BASIC understanding of chemistry you'd know that saying XZY chemical has ABC shelf life is ridiculous right from the onset. Shelf life? Based on what conditions? How much exposure to reactants? At what temperature? Etc etc..

As if that wasn't ridiculous enough... to say "CHEMICAL AGENTS" as if they are all the same and have similar reaction pathways... is even worse.
These concepts aren't hard.
And that's probably why the inspectors said THOSE weapons were degraded remants. I think they probably know something on the subject. If for some reason I ever need info on tampons, I'll come to you first.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:46 PM   #64
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And that's probably why the inspectors said THOSE weapons were degraded remants. I think they probably know something on the subject. If for some reason I ever need info on tampons, I'll come to you first.
It's sad how ****ing stupid you are. Seriously, it's just ****ing sad. Science be damned! Facts don't matter, what matters is believing the opinion of anybody who tells me shit I wanted to believe anyway! Doesn't matter that he is currently in PRISON for unlawful contact with a minor and indecent exposure. I'll just ignore the UN report that says what I don't want to believe and go with the insanely ignorant and damn near scientifically impossible conclusions that I want to believe!
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:59 PM   #65
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It's sad how ****ing stupid you are. Seriously, it's just ****ing sad. Science be damned! Facts don't matter, what matters is believing the opinion of anybody who tells me shit I wanted to believe anyway! Doesn't matter that he is currently in PRISON for unlawful contact with a minor and indecent exposure. I'll just ignore the UN report that says what I don't want to believe and go with the insanely ignorant and damn near scientifically impossible conclusions that I want to believe!
"The opinion of anybody"--only THE weapons inspectors. Not just one guy. Facts are what matters, and I'm talking about facts specific to the Iraq "WMDs." Queef, you're actually arguing that the WMDs found justified the war--not even the administration makes that argument anymore. Hitch you wagon to Livesteam if you like. And go change your tampon.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:15 PM   #66
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"The opinion of anybody"--only THE weapons inspectors. Not just one guy. Facts are what matters, and I'm talking about facts specific to the Iraq "WMDs." Queef, you're actually arguing that the WMDs found justified the war--not even the administration makes that argument anymore. Hitch you wagon to Livesteam if you like. And go change your tampon.
The only thing I am arguing is that it's incredibly ignorant to say that 500 artillery shells found had a 5 year shelf life and would no longer be potent enough to be considered viable weapons. That is just plain wrong. And both the UN and DoD have stated such.

Scott Ritter (your hero) did NOT make those comments about specific weapons he made the GENERAL statement that chemical weapons have a 5 year shelf life. That statement is wrong. Period. End of story. Factually incorrect and impossible. Here are some of the completely false statements he made that your entire argument is based on...

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We destroyed all the factories, all of the means of production and we couldn't account for some of the weaponry, but chemical weapons have a shelf-life of five years.
Without knowing the EXACT purity, storage conditions, etc etc you simply can't make a statement like this about any specific chemical much less a broad statement about ANY AND ALL chemicals the Iraqis may have had. It's ridiculous and the it's sad that people like you eat it up.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:24 PM   #67
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"The opinion of anybody"--only THE weapons inspectors. Not just one guy. Facts are what matters, and I'm talking about facts specific to the Iraq "WMDs." Queef, you're actually arguing that the WMDs found justified the war--not even the administration makes that argument anymore. Hitch you wagon to Livesteam if you like. And go change your tampon.
The justification for war was Iraq not complying with UN Resolution 1441 which forced them to account for their known stockpiles at the time, among other things.

Do you deny or agree with the fact democrats agreed we should go to war against Iraq because of WMD?
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:43 PM   #68
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"The opinion of anybody"--only THE weapons inspectors. Not just one guy. Facts are what matters, and I'm talking about facts specific to the Iraq "WMDs." Queef, you're actually arguing that the WMDs found justified the war--not even the administration makes that argument anymore. Hitch you wagon to Livesteam if you like. And go change your tampon.
Bull shit. Nowhere in this thread did I ever say one word, one way or the other about the justifications of that war. I pointed out the same thing Austin did.
You got fist ****ed in this thread by someone smarter than you or me. Grow a pair & admit it

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Old 01-23-2013, 08:03 AM   #69
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It's one thing to say that a munition of a certain type under certain conditions has a shelf life of X before it is no longer reliable for it's intended purpose.

It's another to say that

a) the chemicals in those munitions are no longer dangerous after the shelf life expires (false)

b) chemical weapons materials in uncertain configurations under uncertain conditions have the same shelf life of X (false)

cosmo20002 makes the mistake of extrapolating from a statement that may contain some truth in narrow circumstances to a sweeping generality that's more untrue than true.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:36 AM   #70
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cosmo20002 makes the mistake of extrapolating from a statement that may contain some truth in narrow circumstances to a sweeping generality that's more untrue than true.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:43 AM   #71
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:46 AM   #72
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You are so full of shit, Clavin. Just learn some basic chemistry, as well as weapons engineering, and...like I said, as soon as I build that lab, I'll stop reading what experts like UN weapon inpsectors say.
Well I'm an old Chemical Engineer and I'll tell you what, I'll go with what the people that study this stuff actually say. And if mustard gas is the tipping point for WMD, welcome to 1916.
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Well I'm an old Chemical Engineer and I'll tell you what, I'll go with what the people that study this stuff actually say. And if mustard gas is the tipping point for WMD, welcome to 1916.
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Well I'm an old Chemical Engineer and I'll tell you what, I'll go with what the people that study this stuff actually say. And if mustard gas is the tipping point for WMD, welcome to 1916.
I don't know what "the tipping point for WMD" means, but humans haven't developed any special immunities to mustard gas in the past 97 years.
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