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Old 01-23-2013, 05:49 PM  
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Jets exploring trade options for Revis?

Jets owner Woody Johnson to explore trading Darrelle Revis
By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider
January 23, 2013 7:28 pm ET

The New York Jets, fresh off an exhaustive hunt for new general manager John Idzik, will explore options to deal star corner Darrelle Revis this offseason, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Revis, whose contract voids after the 2014 season, is set to earn $6 million in 2013 (between salary and bonuses), and owner Woody Johnson has strong reservations about the ability to extend Revis's deal, the sources said. Johnson has expressed his desire to attempt to land value for Revis now, rather than risk losing him as an unrestricted free agent a year from now, most likely seeking as much draft-pick compensation for him as possible.

The Jets are very much in transition mode, they have cap issues moving forward and are trying to embark on a rebuilding processafter firing former long-time general manager Mike Tannenbaum. Revis, who missed almost all of last season after suffering a torn ACL, engaged in a long holdout in 2010 that resulted in a contract extension that was more of a Band-Aid than anything else.

Revis signed a seven-year deal then that voids to a four-year pact, thus making him an unrestricted free agent after the 2013 season. The deal also precludes him being hit with the franchise tag or any other such mechanism. Johnson has made it very clear he would like to pursue a means to reap rewards for Revis now, sources said, and it is likely to be an immediate part of Idzik's initial job duties.

Revis is considered by many to be the best defensive player in the game. And with pass rusher Mario Williams earning$60 million guaranteedfrom Buffalo a year ago, Johnson understands how financially restrictive it would be to retain him. His team desperately needs young, cheap, impact players to help reposition the team for the future, with 2013 a year of transition.

Revis is the only real trading chip that he has. Knee injury or not, there would be no shortage of teams interested in securing his services and no shortage of rebuilding teams sitting on massive cap space in 2013. The Jets are also likely to be hard-pressed to retain free agents like tight end Dustin Keller, running back Shonn Greene and defensive tackle Mike DeVito, though they will make a push to retain DeVito, the sources said.

Getting Revis signed to an extension would be a possibility to trying to remedy this situation, but the sources said Johnson has established his desire to move him if he can secure fair value in exchange.

Dealing Revis would incur a $9 million cap hit due to some option-bonus prorations involved in the contract -- thus Revis would count an additional $3 million against the cap than he is currently scheduled to -- but the Jets could navigate that relatively easily according to sources familiar with their cap situation, via a restructuring or by releasing a veteran. The team is using 2013 as a year for cap and budgetary housecleaning, to get situated for the future. It stands to reason that come 2014, both Revis and head coach Rex Ryan, are gone.


Any interest?
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:50 PM   #61
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This is where I fall. You can also make the argument that players of Revis' talent are a fit anywhere, but for a team that has a ton of holes, giving up the opportunity for cheap, cost-controlled young players for a player probably at the tail end of his prime pulls us in two separate directions.
I get that, and I grudgingly probably agree, but he would upgrade a hole, significantly.


And on defense, I'm not exactly sure the holes are ones that need to be filled with high draft picks. A core of Revis, Flowers, Berry, Tamba (who's on the tail end), DJ (also tail end), Poe, Berry, and Houston, you could potentially fill in the rest with "role" guys.

And to be quite honest, alot of this from me is coming from the fact that we've have "cap hits, cost fits can't spend for this guy etc" shoved down our throat by Pioli , then he turns around and spends on Jackson and Cassel, that I don't give a damn about the cap.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:52 PM   #62
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I also think it might be possible to give up less, draft pick wise, for him than we might think. If the Jets know they aren't re signing the guy, they might be a little more willing to dump him.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:54 PM   #63
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I wouldn't touch Revis, especially with the #34 overall.

Let some big market team like the Giants or Redskins or Philly overpay for his services.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:56 PM   #64
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I wouldn't touch Revis, especially with the #34 overall.

Let some big market team like the Giants or Redskins or Philly overpay for his services.
Even if you planned on taking a CB wiht that pick anyway?


Is it because of the injury? Age? Price?




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Old 01-23-2013, 06:57 PM   #65
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I also think it might be possible to give up less, draft pick wise, for him than we might think. If the Jets know they aren't re signing the guy, they might be a little more willing to dump him.
I've always thought it's a good idea to trade with teams that are historically awful and ask for draft picks in return.

A sneaky awesome trade:

Our first round pick in 2014 for Revis and the Jets' first in 2015.

The Jets pretty much always suck, and I'd bet on that pick being top 10.
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I've always thought it's a good idea to trade with teams that are historically awful and ask for draft picks in return.

A sneaky awesome trade:

Our first round pick in 2014 for Revis and the Jets' first in 2015.

The Jets pretty much always suck, and I'd bet on that pick being top 10.
Not sure if serious here?

If you are, yeah, would sound pretty good.

Depending on what pick we had.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:14 PM   #67
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Even if you planned on taking a CB wiht that pick anyway?


Is it because of the injury? Age? Price?




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Yeah, I'd rather have a 22 year old with no injury issues over a 28 year old with recent ACL replacement looking for a huge contract.

IMO, he's a one year rental. He'll likely be 29 by the time he's fully recovered and at that age, other health issues become a concern.

IMO, he's not a good investment for the Chiefs.
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I bet they would take Charles for Revis like the Donks took Champ for Portis. If Revis had never been injured, I would really consider it. The Donks came out awesome in that trade and shut down corners are hard to find.

I would give a draft pick for him IF they really just want to unload his contract for a 4th or something close. Kind of like the 7th the Falcons gave for Samuel. Someone else would probably offer more but, I don't think they'll get a first for him coming off an injury.

On a side note, I just read the Pack might cut Charles Woodson because he is due $10 million this year. He would be nice at FS for a couple of years...
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I bet they would take Charles for Revis like the Donks took Champ for Portis. If Revis had never been injured, I would really consider it. The Donks came out awesome in that trade and shut down corners are hard to find.
If they turn that down, we can do better and offer them McCluster.

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If they turn that down, we can do better and offer them McCluster.

Right, BlackSpongeWoodbozochuckPantsBob?
When you say "right" what are you referring to? I'm not being a smartass man. I question whether you actually read my post. I gave some examples of similar trades from the past, the Jets need to unload some money, and I was very frugal about what I would give.

Where are you coming from man?
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28yrs old (in football terms)
Coming off acl repair
Would be on a 1 year deal and will be looking for the largest contract ever for a cb.
Would require premium compensation in a trade.

I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure about all the costs involved being worth it.

It just sucks that ***** let Carr walk because he didn't want to hurt Flowers feelings...these conversations shouldn't even be taking place.
Especially when almost everyone 'feels their way' through the first season after the injury.

Revis will be decent in 2013, IMO - but he won't be completely back until 2014 and by then he'll be nearing his 30s and starting to decline.

Revis is a great player, no question. But with the health risks, financial commitment and inevitable decline, he's just not a terribly valuable asset.

I might give up our 3rd for him, but I won't swear by that. We're just not at a point right now where we can give up assets for an immediate fix. In the end, there are teams that are a corner away from being contenders and they have picks in the teens/20s so they can beat us by a round.

The Chiefs would be insane to give up their 2nd for him - but the Packers sure as hell wouldn't. We can't bid with those teams so we should stay out of the running.
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If they turn that down, we can do better and offer them McCluster.

Right, BlackSpongeWoodbozochuckPantsBob?
He was more useful when he was bitching about the social groups...
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When you say "right" what are you referring to? I'm not being a smartass man. I question whether you actually read my post. I gave some examples of similar trades from the past, the Jets need to unload some money, and I was very frugal about what I would give.

Where are you coming from man?
"I bet they would take Charles for Revis."

Yes, I bet they would. Why the **** would WE do that trade, though? It ****ing sucks for us even if it's only a hypothetical offer.
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A guy with an ego the size of the city he plays in, coming off a serious injury, on a rental plan? Not worth either our first or our second.

Sadly, if we hadn't let Carr walk for nothing, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Nor would we if we could evaluate talent in the draft like we could back then, sorry to say.
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