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Old 01-24-2013, 12:24 AM  
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The Star's top 10: The best player in draft for Chiefs needs



The Star’s Top 10: The best players in draft for Chiefs’ needs
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January 23

As the Chiefs prepare to make the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft for the first time in franchise history, we’ve made our own draft board. Adam Teicher, The Star’s Chiefs reporter, has ranked the top 10 available players who fit the Chiefs’ most pressing needs. Not all are worthy of the No. 1 pick — the Chiefs may decide to trade down — but all are worth keeping an eye on before the draft starts April 25.

• 1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia: Chiefs have two Pro Bowlers at this position, so technically outside linebacker is not a need. But Tamba Hali will be 30 next season and it’s difficult to turn down a pass rusher.

• 2. Damontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M: The same holds for Moore.

• 3. Luke Joeckel, T, Texas A&M: The Chiefs will need a left tackle if Branden Albert becomes a free agent.

• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their QB dilemma somehow.

• 5. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama: After the fiasco with Stanford Routt, the Chiefs need a corner and Milliner is the best available.

• 6. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee: Again, not worth the top pick. But a fast, 6-3 receiver will be difficult for the Chiefs to pass up.

• 7. Chance Warmack, G, Alabama: Guards aren’t valuable enough to pick with the top overall choice. But Warmack has a chance to be great.

• 8. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah: The Chiefs will need a lineman if they lose Glenn Dorsey to free agency.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.

• 10. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia: Inside linebackers aren’t that valuable, but the Chiefs need one to go along with Derrick Johnson.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/23...#storylink=cpy
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:20 AM   #61
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People keep talking pass rushers (OLB) but we are not going to take one with Hali and Houston here. If Dorsey walks, we will need a DE like it or not. Star is a better pass rusher than either Dorsey or T-Jax anyways but that isn't the main job of a 3-4 DE. Sure it would improve with a 1-Gap system.

I know it blows ones mind thinking LT or DT but what else is at the top of the draft are we going to see outside of OLB's? Possibly a CB like Milliner? Just better pray it is QB indeed at #1!
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:20 AM   #62
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I've always said that. What I said before was the Bucky Brooks article on Glennon was symbolic of how bad the QB talent is in this class. What you proceeded to do is tell me how much of an idiot Bucky Brooks was. Eventually, the "mob" and others all piled and took things out of context. I attempted to argue my points and it led to my last banning.

Two weeks after that, I see people citing Bucky Brooks like his word is gold. This is one great example of the "mobster" bullshit. Take it for what it's worth.

Bosschief, I'm done giving you chances and am putting you on ignore. Your takes generally suck, you are big headed, and you bully me because your ego can't handle being challenged. The "mob squad" was formed out of fear of embarrassment and a whole lot of butt hurt.

The best thing you can do is think about what I am saying on move on. I'll leave it at that.
wrong

you showed up to shit all over the Smith thread with nonsense about Glennon, and without having a ****ing clue about Smith...and your 'source' then turned out to believe that Smith is actually the best QB

which makes that steaming load you dropped on our thread extra-double pointless, and rendering every 'argument' you made in the thread worthless

you really have a problem with the truth
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:24 AM   #63
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wrong

you showed up to shit all over the Smith thread with nonsense about Glennon, and without having a ****ing clue about Smith...and your 'source' then turned out to believe that Smith is actually the best QB

which makes that steaming load you dropped on our thread extra-double pointless, and rendering every 'argument' you made in the thread worthless

you really have a problem with the truth
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:25 AM   #64
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People keep talking pass rushers (OLB) but we are not going to take one with Hali and Houston here. If Dorsey walks, we will need a DE like it or not. Star is a better pass rusher than either Dorsey or T-Jax anyways but that isn't the main job of a 3-4 DE. Sure it would improve with a 1-Gap system.

I know it blows ones mind thinking LT or DT but what else is at the top of the draft are we going to see outside of OLB's? Possibly a CB like Milliner? Just better pray it is QB indeed at #1!
Depends on your scheme/philosophy. I'm sure Watt and Cullen Jenkins would disagree.
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Depends on your scheme/philosophy. I'm sure Watt and Cullen Jenkins would disagree.
I always wonder...

Do people think that 34 DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to hold their gap on a pass play?

Granted, they have to read and react whereas in a 1 gap system they're penetrating immediately... but when they read pass their ONLY JOB is go get after the QB in any system.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:39 AM   #66
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I always wonder...

Do people think that 34 DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to hold their gap on a pass play?

Granted, they have to read and react whereas in a 1 gap system they're penetrating immediately... but when they read pass their ONLY JOB is go get after the QB in any system.
No. However, in a 1-gap in base fronts, you enable your front to get pressure because they only have to play one gap and aren't reacting/holding position.

The primary flaw with the 2-gap for how the game is played now, is that it is simply too slow. For example, a team comes out in base 22 personnel. They run a PA pass. A 2-gap team probably has no chance of really getting presssure if the other team has adequate line play simply due to the time it takes for them to diagnose the play and then adequately react. In a 1-gap in base fronts, the DL is already moving upfield and has a much higher chance of getting penetration on PA and regular passes against base personnel from the offense. JMHO.
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I think it would put the gorilla on his back. If we take a QB #1, I believe we need to go hard after Alex Smith. Before people kill me for saying that, I don't think Alex is the answer at QB. I do think he would be an excellent mentor for someone like Geno because he did go #1 and he had a very hard road during his first few years in the league. He obviously did a good job mentoring Kapernick and I think he would do a good job helping Geno come along.
Do you even know who our coach is? Coach Andy Reid looks for QBs that can pass the ball often and not rely on the run game. Alex Smith is the farthest down the list of a guy to bring in here to teach or "mentor" a passing QB to pass. I'd also argue that Alex Smith didn't do much of any "mentoring" Kaepernick to do what he does on the field. Maybe off the field, but nothing on the field.

I don't want Alex Smith on this team. He would dumb it up for a QBotf we take from the draft with his Cassel esq play.

lololololol Alex Smith is the complete opposite of what Andy Reid looks for in QB I am sure of that.
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Do you even know who our coach is? Coach Andy Reid looks for QBs that can pass the ball often and not rely on the run game. Alex Smith is the farthest down the list of a guy to bring in here to teach or "mentor" a passing QB to pass. I'd also argue that Alex Smith didn't do much of any "mentoring" Kaepernick to do what he does on the field. Maybe off the field, but nothing on the field.

I don't want Alex Smith on this team. He would dumb it up for a QBotf we take from the draft with his Cassel esq play.

lololololol Alex Smith is the complete opposite of what Andy Reid looks for in QB I am sure of that.
Additionally, there is no reason Smith, Flynn etc. would come here knowing we're taking a QB. They all want to start, not serve as mentors/ride the bench (from what I've read)
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I always wonder...

Do people think that 34 DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to hold their gap on a pass play?

Granted, they have to read and react whereas in a 1 gap system they're penetrating immediately... but when they read pass their ONLY JOB is go get after the QB in any system.
By then, it's too late.
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• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their QB dilemma somehow.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.




Wait, wut?
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• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their QB dilemma somehow.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.




Wait, wut?
Yeah, I don't get it. Are people really this worried about Geno because he's black or something?
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The Star’s Top 10: The best players in draft for Chiefs’ needs
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As the Chiefs prepare to make the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft for the first time in franchise history, we’ve made our own draft board. Adam Teicher, The Star’s Chiefs reporter, has ranked the top 10 available players who fit the Chiefs’ most pressing needs. Not all are worthy of the No. 1 pick — the Chiefs may decide to trade down — but all are worth keeping an eye on before the draft starts April 25.

• 1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia: Chiefs have two Pro Bowlers at this position, so technically outside linebacker is not a need. But Tamba Hali will be 30 next season and it’s difficult to turn down a pass rusher.

• 2. Damontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M: The same holds for Moore.
I'm ****ing done.

The idea that we would, in any round, at all, bother to take an OLB is ****ing retarded and shows you have no ****ing clue what the **** you're talking about.

OLB is the strongest aspect of our defense now and the ONLY position I'd say we should not waste a pick on...
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Yeah, I don't get it. Are people really this worried about Geno because he's black or something?
Good news: Phat Andy don't care...
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I'm ****ing done.

The idea that we would, in any round, at all, bother to take an OLB is ****ing retarded and shows you have no ****ing clue what the **** you're talking about.

OLB is the strongest aspect of our defense now and the ONLY point I'd say we should not wasted a pick on...
I would have loved for us to get one last year and would like us to get one in the later rounds if a solid prospect is available. I think it is good to be 3 deep at OLB but you're right, it isn't a pressing need.
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