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Old 01-24-2013, 08:54 AM  
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DoD lifts ban on women in combat

Does this mean that women will now have to register with the Selective Service as well?



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In a historic action, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta today will remove the ban on women in combat that has excluded them from jobs ranging from infantry squad leaders and tank gunners to commandoes.

The decision, praised by women's advocates but denounced by the conservative Family Research Council, ends a 1994 Pentagon policy that barred women from high-risk ground combat jobs.

Women often have seen combat anyway over the past decade, as 283,000 of them went to Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a Congressional Research Service report, with 144 killed and 855 wounded.

“I remember in 1990 when we went into the first Gulf War, there was an uproar about women going to the front lines and talking about women being taken away from their children and having to go to war, having to go into combat,” said Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau, a retired Air Force major general.

“Then when we went into the Iraqi war (in 2003), there were no longer those kinds of issues,” she said. “Those issues weren't raised because people were recognizing that we've done this for a long time, women are trained to do this.”

Military officials said Panetta would unveil details in a news conference this afternoon.

An implementation period is expected, though details of how the service branches will phase in the policy weren't clear.

Anu Bhagwati, executive director of Service Women's Action Network, which joined three officers and an Army staff sergeant in lawsuit led by the ACLU to overturn the policy, called the decision a historic moment.

The policy, and laws before it, were rooted in a military long segregated by color, ethnicity and gender. But barriers to women had fallen over the decades, especially after the Women's Army Corps was disbanded in 1978.

The combat exclusion policy had barred women from serving in around 238,000 jobs, said Bhagwati, who noted that many of those positions set the stage for higher-ranking assignments. Giving women the chance to compete for combat roles, she predicted, would improve retention and recruiting.

Women make up 14 percent of the 1.4 million troops in the armed forces



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Old 01-24-2013, 09:55 AM   #16
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On the other hand anyone who has an x-wife knows women are completely capable of irrational hatred and killing without remorse. So the argument that they don’t have the mental makeup to deal with a combat situation doesn’t hold water in my opinion.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:59 AM   #17
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On the other hand anyone who has an x-wife knows women are completely capable of irrational hatred and killing without remorse. So the argument that they don’t have the mental makeup to deal with a combat situation doesn’t hold water in my opinion.
We have a gal here in AZ on trial who stabbed her boyfriend dozens of times, slit his throat, and shot him twice in the head...and this is somebody she used to love.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:00 AM   #18
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On the other hand anyone who has an x-wife knows women are completely capable of irrational hatred and killing without remorse. So the argument that they don’t have the mental makeup to deal with a combat situation doesn’t hold water in my opinion.
Agreed on that count for sure. Women are way more brutal than guys, typically.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:03 AM   #19
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On the other hand anyone who has an x-wife knows women are completely capable of irrational hatred and killing without remorse. So the argument that they don’t have the mental makeup to deal with a combat situation doesn’t hold water in my opinion.
Hah, I got a good laugh out of that. I don't doubt that woman are absolutely capable of possessing a killer instinct. Also I have seen that women can be resourceful, calm under pressure, capable of withstanding a substantial amount of physical and mental duress while remaining effective and able to perform as team leaders or team members with a high degree of efficiency. I have known many women who who would be great in combat situations. The problem I have with putting women into combat is a psychological one, and it's my problem, not theirs.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:04 AM   #20
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On the other hand anyone who has an x-wife knows women are completely capable of irrational hatred and killing without remorse. So the argument that they don’t have the mental makeup to deal with a combat situation doesn’t hold water in my opinion.
I believe this is a disqualification.

http://army.com/info/usa/disqualifiers
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:07 AM   #21
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:08 AM   #22
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Hah, I got a good laugh out of that. I don't doubt that woman are absolutely capable of possessing a killer instinct. Also I have seen that women can be resourceful, calm under pressure, capable of withstanding a substantial amount of physical and mental duress while remaining effective and able to perform as team leaders or team members with a high degree of efficiency. I have known many women who who would be great in combat situations. The problem I have with putting women into combat is a psychological one, and it's my problem, not theirs.
Said it better than I could.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:12 AM   #23
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How feminists can be so against violence to women and then cheer this is cognitive dissonance.

I don't like it because it will open the draft up to women and require registering at age 18.
Selective Service Act is aimed at creating a list of men who could be drafted for combat according to the Supreme Court.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:12 AM   #24
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It will be a problem when they lower the physical standards so woman can qualify. The nature of the conflicts we seem to be in these days women are already getting shot at and returning fire. To exempt/ban over 50% of our population due to their gender just isn’t cricket. The fact that women are not required to register for the draft (just like men do) is sexual discrimination against the minority class known as men. If they are not strong enough to be a grunt reassign them to a task they are capable of. For what it is worth I never want to see the day the draft is reinstated in this country.
Relax--whatever shortcomings they have, they will certainly make up for it with keeping the barracks tidy, sammiches, and the occasional handie--all of which will increase overall morale. Amirite?
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:16 AM   #25
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How feminists can be so against violence to women and then cheer this is cognitive dissonance.
Geez, how many of your logical fallacies can you fit into one sentence?

I'll just pick one. Being "against violence" does not mean believing that it is never necessary and/or being unwilling to use it if circumstances require.
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The problem I have with putting women into combat is a psychological one, and it's my problem, not theirs.
Which is just as valid a reason based on what happens when men fight alongside women in combat. Not to mention more rapes and sexual assaults and unwanted pregnancies or wanted pregnancies as a way to get out of serving in a war.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:18 AM   #27
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Geez, how many of your logical fallacies can you fit into one sentence?
Name them.

Then tell me what part of stating an opinion you don't understand.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:23 AM   #28
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Which is just as valid a reason based on what happens when men fight alongside women in combat. Not to mention more rapes and sexual assaults and unwanted pregnancies or wanted pregnancies as a way to get out of serving in a war.
It's sort of hard-wired in there isn't it? Protect the women and children. I know that I will subconsciously see women as givers of life, and children as the future of society, no matter how much PC indoctrination I endure.
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We have had women in combat for years.

This decision simply opens them up to promotions that they previously could not achieve (see: military point system).
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