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Old 01-24-2013, 08:54 AM  
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DoD lifts ban on women in combat

Does this mean that women will now have to register with the Selective Service as well?



http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...ds-4218940.php






In a historic action, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta today will remove the ban on women in combat that has excluded them from jobs ranging from infantry squad leaders and tank gunners to commandoes.

The decision, praised by women's advocates but denounced by the conservative Family Research Council, ends a 1994 Pentagon policy that barred women from high-risk ground combat jobs.

Women often have seen combat anyway over the past decade, as 283,000 of them went to Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a Congressional Research Service report, with 144 killed and 855 wounded.

“I remember in 1990 when we went into the first Gulf War, there was an uproar about women going to the front lines and talking about women being taken away from their children and having to go to war, having to go into combat,” said Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau, a retired Air Force major general.

“Then when we went into the Iraqi war (in 2003), there were no longer those kinds of issues,” she said. “Those issues weren't raised because people were recognizing that we've done this for a long time, women are trained to do this.”

Military officials said Panetta would unveil details in a news conference this afternoon.

An implementation period is expected, though details of how the service branches will phase in the policy weren't clear.

Anu Bhagwati, executive director of Service Women's Action Network, which joined three officers and an Army staff sergeant in lawsuit led by the ACLU to overturn the policy, called the decision a historic moment.

The policy, and laws before it, were rooted in a military long segregated by color, ethnicity and gender. But barriers to women had fallen over the decades, especially after the Women's Army Corps was disbanded in 1978.

The combat exclusion policy had barred women from serving in around 238,000 jobs, said Bhagwati, who noted that many of those positions set the stage for higher-ranking assignments. Giving women the chance to compete for combat roles, she predicted, would improve retention and recruiting.

Women make up 14 percent of the 1.4 million troops in the armed forces



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Old 01-24-2013, 11:34 AM   #61
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Let me say it like this then:

A woman like you, who sits on her ass in front of a computer 16 hours a day espousing loony right wing BS, trying tell a woman who wants to fight in combat that she can't.... is pure bullshit.
Still just your opinion and still can't articulate an argument using reason.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:35 AM   #62
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I would direct you to the Women’s Constitution, amendments and bill of Rights. It is slightly smaller than the men’s version but does smell of lavender.
Never heard of it. /sarcasm]

So you can't answer then.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:37 AM   #63
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I can see both sides of this issue. I don't think women should be denied promotions, benefits, and pay because they are a woman. If they are capable and willing there shouldn't be a problem.

On the flip side as someone that has served being a grunt there is going to have to be some major changes in regards to having women in such a setting.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:44 AM   #64
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Never heard of it. /sarcasm]

So you can't answer then.
"There are other ways for women to share the responsibilities of defending this nation, including sending her husband and children off to war, supporting the war effort in other areas.

Remember though, only one bull is needed to replace and further human race. This is biological fact. The rest of you are cannon fodder. (See the Walter Block video on social biology in this thread.)

The military has the RIGHT to discriminate based on physical abilities or traits for combat. It just happens to be a necessary qualification for doing the job. Pushing buttons—not so much."


Where is the question?
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:13 PM   #65
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:17 PM   #66
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I would direct you to the Women’s Constitution, amendments and bill of Rights. It is slightly smaller than the men’s version but does smell of lavender.

OK, that is hilarious. So, so wrong. But funny.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:22 PM   #67
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Just send BEP over to fight for us. She'll bitch, moan, and nag every single one of our enemies into submission/suicide.

We'll even throw you a parade, Pea.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:26 PM   #68
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Just send BEP over to fight for us. She'll bitch, moan, and nag every single one of our enemies into submission/suicide.

We'll even throw you a parade, Pea.
I'm not bitching or whining. This is just a discussion or debate where I state my position is all. Something you're also unable to do and also deny a female to do on an equal footing as witnessed with your sexists comments calling it "whining and bitching."

Leftists, like yourself, always position themselves to care about equality. Maybe some day you'll care about people too.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:27 PM   #69
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:48 PM   #70
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Oh I get it.

Go to http://www.google.com/

Then type the Constitution , amendments and bill of rights.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:09 PM   #71
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This is not something I've ever considered a problem for those that want to do it. The only thing I question is actual front lines fighting. I've read in a couple of places today that war is really mouse clicks anymore and nothing could be further from the truth. Are you prepared to see daughters and wives KIA?
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:12 PM   #72
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I hate it.
I hate war. The gender fighting it is pretty much meaningless to me. Israel has female compulsory service. Be interesting to see now that they can if any of them will actually step up and volunteer.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:13 PM   #73
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For what it is worth I don’t necessarily think it is a grand idea for women to be in combat, particularly if we are going to lower the standards to make it happen. I do think there are plenty of non Front line combat jobs in all branches of the service that if men have to sign up for the draft, then so should women. If someone is not fit for combat someone needs to be in intelligence, logistics, cooking in the mess hall or washing the dirty underwear.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:14 PM   #74
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Just send BEP over to fight for us. She'll bitch, moan, and nag every single one of our enemies into submission/suicide.

We'll even throw you a parade, Pea.
They would surrender in days. Maybe hours.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:17 PM   #75
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Personally I don't get why people have an issue with this(ok ok I get why people can but not why they should). Sure there are a number of potential concerns with women being in combat, but should we discriminate against them because of what 'could' happen or because of what is likely to happen?

If you ban them from combat because of what 'might' happen to them, is that philosophically different than banning certain firearms because they 'might' be used improperly?

If we discriminate against something it should be because the harm is 'likely' to happen, because frankly anything 'might' happen but in the vast majority of cases it doesn't.

From a practical point of view however, little is expected to change at this point. Why? Many of the women who have tried combat infantry training have dropped out in the end. One of the primary reasons they have done so is because they found that, while they could do the same level of work in short bursts, their bodies broke down much faster and more frequently than men. It's the simple physiological differences, that will be the limiter to them taking a more active role in combat.

Will there be extraordinary women who can meet the physical challenges? Absolutely and they should be encouraged to do so, but from a practical stance I don't expect much to change from this. The greatest concern I have is that we become so focused on trying to get women into roles they may not be physically suited for that we lower standards of performance so much that we impact capabilities.

But then again, in 10-20 years our military will be composed of only special forces and robots so maybe it doesn't matter.
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