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NM Republicans introducing legislation to criminalize rape victims who abort the baby

This is ****ing insanity.

http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/13%2...se/HB0206.html

HOUSE BILL 206

51st legislature - STATE OF NEW MEXICO - first session, 2013

INTRODUCED BY

Cathrynn N. Brown











AN ACT

RELATING TO CRIMINAL LAW; SPECIFYING PROCURING OF AN ABORTION AS TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE IN CASES OF CRIMINAL SEXUAL PENETRATION OR INCEST.



BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO:

SECTION 1. Section 30-22-5 NMSA 1978 (being Laws 1963, Chapter 303, Section 22-5, as amended) is amended to read:

"30-22-5. TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE.--

A. Tampering with evidence consists of destroying, changing, hiding, placing or fabricating any physical evidence with intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of any person or to throw suspicion of the commission of a crime upon another.

B. Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.

[B.] C. Whoever commits tampering with evidence shall be punished as follows:

(1) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a capital or first degree felony or a second degree felony, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a third degree felony;

(2) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a third degree felony or a fourth degree felony, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a fourth degree felony;

(3) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a misdemeanor or a petty misdemeanor, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a petty misdemeanor; and

(4) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is indeterminate, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a fourth degree felony."

SECTION 2. EFFECTIVE DATE.--The effective date of the provisions of this act is July 1, 2013.











I discovered this across my Facebook feed, and will be happy to throw in the article linked there that got me looking into this.

http://www.politicususa.com/republic...ncubators.html


Republicans Turn Victims of Rape and Incest into Felons and Forced Incubators

By: Sarah JonesJan. 24th, 2013more from Sarah Jones

In New Mexico yesterday, Republicans treated us to “Exhibit A” legislation, introduced as House Bill 206. It criminalizes the ending of a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest in some cases, declaring the fetus to be evidence in a criminal trial.

I’ve been pointing out for a while now that House Republicans were going out of their way to give rapists more access to victims (via GOP’s version of the Violence Against Women Act) and forcing a rape victim to carry her rapist’s baby to term, while also granting the rapist access to the child, inadvertently (?) incentivizing rape. Republicans have also been working on redefining rape and trying to pass laws so that victims would be renamed “accusers”. But now, they have finally found a way to just come out and say it.

If you get raped or molested, you are the criminal. If you don’t carry the fetus to term, you may face up to three years in prison.

New Mexico Republicans got one of their token females, Republican State Representative Cathrynn Brown, to introduce HB206 in the New Mexico Legislature — new legislation that would force a rape victim to carry the fetus to term in order to preserve evidence (since when do Republicans care about rape evidence?).

The bill reads, “Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result or criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.”

The only good news I can potentially see here is that Republicans are claiming to care about rape evidence, and so in a world in which their values were consistent, House Republicans would pass the new bipartisan Senate version of the Violence Against Women Act. The new verion of the VAWA seeks to address the epidemic of untested rape kits. If Republicans want evidence, a rape kit might be a bit easier than forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term.



But if they really wanted evidence in order to prosecute rape, then they wouldn’t need to force a woman to carry a rapist’s fetus to term — they could simply test the aborted fetus, or better yet, process the rape kit. While science and the female body are proving to be too complicated for your modern day GOP, this bill isn’t about evidence. This is about finally finding a way to criminalize victims of rape and incest, so as to protect the perpetrators of those crimes, as all patriarchal systems do (Penn State, the Catholic Church, the Stuebenville football culture, etc). Money and power versus the rape/incest victim.

How many women will be reporting a rape if they know they’ll be forced to carry the fetus to term? Even less than report it right now.

“In addition to being blatantly un-Constitutional, the bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” says Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive non-profit opposing the bill. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.”

Incubators of evidence and felons? It’s called punishment for reporting a rape.

While hopefully this bill has little chance of passing, it’s important in the sense that it reveals the intentions behind Republican policies relating to women. Taken in context with their refusal to pass the Violence Against Women Act and their many egregious comments about rape and rape victims, it appears as if the intention behind this bill is to protect rapists by inhibiting the reporting of rape.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:48 PM   #16
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Sure why not, since we're introducing all sorts of garbage legislation anyways. That's what the republicans should do anyways, every time a liberal submits some bullshit legislation the proper response should be to introduce other bullshit to go against their beliefs.
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ABSOLUTELY! Act like petulant, overgrown, spoiled little brats. So, keep calm, carry on. Because these days, that's business as usual. For a large portion of adult Americans.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:57 PM   #17
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That's actually a pretty shitty response. A much better response would have been to say that the idiots who sponsored this bill are idiots.


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Meanwhile, crickets in this thread. I understand. I'd be ashamed too. Both parties have shithead dumbasses, but no since talking about yours and fixing the problems in house. Keep pointing your finger across the ****ing street about the roof collapsing over there. ****ing children.
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Meanwhile, crickets in this thread. I understand. I'd be ashamed too. Both parties have shithead dumbasses, but no since talking about yours and fixing the problems in house. Keep pointing your finger across the ****ing street about the roof collapsing over there. ****ing children.
Seriously, how did you become a mod?
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Seriously, how did you become a mod?
I typed out this big long rant and decided it wasn't even worth my time. I've lost hope in conservatives. I was one. Really. But now, I realize that all the hard work and effort our Great Grandparents put in for us to have this world as it is now is being thrown away by petulant, spoiled, little adult, brats. I'm glad they're not around to see it. They'd be ashamed. Keep calm. Carry on.
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Oh, and to answer your question, it's because I'm a nice and fair person. I'm a voice of reason. But you assholes in here have had your fingers in your ears screaming nanner nanner boo boo for so long you wouldn't know it. So, sorry if the voice of reason pisses you off. I know it's been real rough not having your way for the last 4 years. Get used too it though. When we did it as kids our parents didn't change a damn thing until we stopped crying and started acting better. When you do that collectively, you'll have a chance again to have a voice at the adult table.
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That's actually a pretty shitty response. A much better response would have been to say that the idiots who sponsored this bill are idiots.
Abortion is murder and the idiots who sponsored this bill are idiots.
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I typed out this big long rant and decided it wasn't even worth my time. I've lost hope in conservatives. I was one. Really. But now, I realize that all the hard work and effort our Great Grandparents put in for us to have this world as it is now is being thrown away by petulant, spoiled, little adult, brats. I'm glad they're not around to see it. They'd be ashamed. Keep calm. Carry on.
Fine, but you seem to interject your thoughts without facing the facts.

I thought a mod was more like a judge. I could be wrong because this whole internet BB thing is new to me.
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Fine, but you seem to interject your thoughts without facing the facts.

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Fine, but you seem to interject your thoughts without facing the facts.

I thought a mod was more like a judge. I could be wrong because this whole internet BB thing is new to me.
This is the first I've heard of mods not being allowed to have an opinion.
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Fine, but you seem to interject your thoughts without facing the facts.

I thought a mod was more like a judge. I could be wrong because this whole internet BB thing is new to me.
You've been around longer than me. Just because I help to moderate this site does not in any way mean I'm not entitled to post my opinions the same way every one else does. It's not a huge check we get for doing this. My enjoyment, and sometimes lack of enjoyment should not change in any way because my name is red and I help make decisions.

In fact, if you had access to the mod forum you would see with your own two eyes that I have fought to bring back posters who have attacked me personally. When I make decisions on the board, I tend to ask for counsel from the other mods if I am emotionally involved. There is a track record there, and I'm confident every single mod on this site would say the same thing about me. I'm as even handed as they come.
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Republicans - Never say a word about race and abortion

Democrats - Stay away from guns

Avoid those subjects and everything else is easy.
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Oh, and to answer your question, it's because I'm a nice and fair person. I'm a voice of reason. But you assholes in here have had your fingers in your ears screaming nanner nanner boo boo for so long you wouldn't know it. So, sorry if the voice of reason pisses you off. I know it's been real rough not having your way for the last 4 years. Get used too it though. When we did it as kids our parents didn't change a damn thing until we stopped crying and started acting better. When you do that collectively, you'll have a chance again to have a voice at the adult table.
When you believe you're a voice of reason but still make posts like this, you being a mod is questionable IMO.
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Republicans - Never say a word about race and abortion

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Avoid those subjects and everything else is easy.
Why do we have two taboo subjects and they only have one?

Not fair! Not fair! Not fair!
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