A majority of Americans are extremist gun-grabbers who hate freedom.

[Direckshun]

So says WaPo/ABC poll:

Overall, 53 percent of the public carries a favorable impression of Obama’s proposals while 41 percent are opposed.

While the poll represents a first reaction to the president’s plan, views on it are surprisingly hardened already. Almost seven in 10 give the plan “strongly” favorable (38 percent) or strongly unfavorable ratings (31 percent).

And, partisans have closed ranks. Fully 76 percent of Democrats rate Obama’s proposals favorably, while nearly as many Republicans say the opposite (72 percent). Independents tilt positively toward the newly announced restrictions: 51 percent favorable and 44 percent unfavorable.

By contrast, a separate Post-ABC poll conducted before Obama’s announcement found Republicans overwhelmingly supporting — or no worse than evenly divided — on four central Obama proposals. Nearly nine in 10 Republicans in that survey supported requiring background checks at gun shows, 65 percent supported adding armed guards in schools and 59 percent supported a ban on high-capacity clips. Republicans’ least-liked current proposal — banning assault weapons — was opposed by a modest 51 to 45 percent margin.

One potential reason for Republicans’ rejection of the new proposals is principle. Obama unveiled a broad slate of new gun restrictions, and the vast majority of Republicans oppose stricter gun control laws (in general), according to a December Post-ABC poll. While polls found Republicans are open to specific gun control measures, they may be less open to a comprehensive approach.

Another possibility? It’s Obama.

Republicans’ sharp negative reaction to Obama’s gun control proposals symbolizes a paradox of presidential leadership in a hyper-partisan era.

And so says a particularly striking Gallup poll:

Given the chance to vote 'for' or 'against' each of nine key proposals included in President Obama's plan to reduce gun violence, Americans back all nine.

This is what you guys were saying all through the healthcare debate, right? That Obama was trying to impose something that Americans didn't want?

Well he is riding a wave of public opinion, now, if he wasn't already on this subject.

It's become a winner.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268075

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=209

I also support more research on gun violence so we can more clearly discern the effect gun prevalence has on gun violence.

You said you could UNEQUIVOQUALLY show causastion. You, and they, show correlation not causation.

FAIL

[Direckshun]

That's fair, it's not unequivocal.

Unequivocable is a damn near impossible standard, however -- I'm talking about beyond reasonable doubt, which is the standard I would generally argue should guide policy.

For the record, one of things the Obama executive orders accomplished is to open up the CDC for more gun violence research. There's been a dearth of it over the years due to political pressure suppressing it.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You gotta do what's politically feasible. This is their calculation.

I'd throw in Mini-14's if I could. I agree the differences in handles and other cosmetics are silly.

Everything listed on the new ban that attempts to define a so called "assault weapon" is pretty much cosmetic features.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by johnny961

Everything listed on the new ban that attempts to define a so called "assault weapon" is pretty much cosmetic features.

A lot of gun control advocates believe that more should be done.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

A lot of gun control advocates believe that more should be done.

Likewise I know of ALOT of pro gun people who beleive what we have is more than enough gun laws.

[rockymtnchief]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

A lot of gun control advocates believe that more should be done.

A lot of gun control advocates know nothing about guns or the people who own them.

[srvy]

He's back!
one last FU to the 2nd amendment being proposed.
http://thehill.com/regulation/243520...un-regulations



By Tim Devaney - 05/30/15 03:10 PM EDT

The Justice Department plans move forward this year with more than a dozen new gun-related regulations, according to list of rules the agency has proposed to enact before the end of the Obama administration.

The regulations range from new restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. Chief among them is a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or have been convicted of domestic abuse.

Gun safety advocates have been calling for such reforms since the Sandy Hook school shooting nearly three years ago in Newtown, Conn. They say keeping guns away from dangerous people is of primary importance.

But the gun lobby contends that such a sweeping ban would unfairly root out a number of prospective gun owners who are not a danger to society.

“It’s clear President Obama is beginning his final assault on our Second Amendment rights by forcing his anti-gun agenda on honest law-abiding citizens through executive force,” said Luke O’Dell, vice president of political affairs at the National Association for Gun Rights.

The Justice Department plans to issue new rules expanding criteria for people who do not qualify for gun ownership, according to the recently released Unified Agenda, which is a list of rules that federal agencies are developing.

Some of the rules come in response to President Obama’s call to reduce gun violence in the wake of Sandy Hook. He issued 23 executive actions shortly after the shooting aimed at keeping guns away from dangerous people, and some of those items remain incomplete.

“If America worked harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown,” Obama said at the time.

“We can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale,” he added.

Gun control groups have rallied around Obama’s call to action, zeroing in on polices that would keep guns away from the mentally ill and domestic abusers.

Congressional efforts to expand background checks and keep guns away from dangerous people have failed in recent years, but the legislative defeats won’t stop the Justice Department from regulating.

The Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is looking to revive a rule proposed way back in 1998 that would block domestic abusers from owning guns.

As proposed, the regulation makes it illegal for some who has been convicted of a misdemeanor domestic violence offense to own a gun.

The ATF plans to finalize the rule by November, according to the Unified Agenda.
But gun rights advocates are concerned the Obama administration will use this rule to unfairly target certain gun owners.

“That could be a person who spanked his kid, or yelled at his wife, or slapped her husband,” warned Michael Hammond, legislative counsel for the Gun Owners of America.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Everytown for Gun Safety, and Americans for Responsible Solutions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

But Everytown, a group financially backed by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, has argued that keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers can be a matter of life or death.

“American women are 11 times more likely to be shot and killed than women in other developed countries,” the group argues. “The high rate of domestic violence deaths in America is directly related to our weak gun laws. But we know that smart gun laws can—and do—stop domestic abuse from turning into murder."

The ATF is also looking to prohibit the mentally ill from owning firearms, which is attracting even more criticism from gun rights groups.

“The Obama administration is trying very hard to disqualify people from owning a gun on the basis that they are seeing a psychologist,” Hammond argued.

The NRA contends that many people who are mentally ill may not necessarily pose a danger to society — or as the gun lobby puts it, the policy “snares masses of mostly harmless individuals.”

Gun rights advocates argue it would be more effective to ban people on an individual basis, as opposed to banning all people who are mentally ill.

“A person who experienced a temporary reaction to a traumatic event or who has trouble handling household finances may well be treated the same as a violent psychopath,” the NRA wrote.

"Not only is this unjust and stigmatizing, it creates disincentives for those who need mental health treatment to seek it, increasing whatever risks are associated with untreated mental illness,” it added.

Aside from these issues, some gun rights advocates have also raised concerns about upcoming ATF rules that would require gun dealers to report gun thefts, provide gun storage and safety devices, and place restrictions on high-powered pistols, among other things.

“The Obama administration hates the Second Amendment, and it’s clear that every place where it can push, it will,” said Hammond. “This is an indication of an anti-gun administration trying to annoy us in any way it can."

[GloucesterChief]

The ATF should of been liquidated after Waco.

Looking forward to the Supremes smacking this down as it seems that they are actually almost reading the 2nd.

[GloryDayz]

Well this ought to do a lot for guns sales in the short term!

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Well this ought to do a lot for guns sales in the short term!

Yep as well as ammo. It was load the mag day around here to get ready for the summer fun season. I loaded up 28 of my AK-47 mags and 27 of my AR-15 mags, oh and **** Barry with a rusty hammer.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by srvy

He's back!
one last FU to the 2nd amendment being proposed.
http://thehill.com/regulation/243520...un-regulations



By Tim Devaney - 05/30/15 03:10 PM EDT

The Justice Department plans move forward this year with more than a dozen new gun-related regulations, according to list of rules the agency has proposed to enact before the end of the Obama administration.

The regulations range from new restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. Chief among them is a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or have been convicted of domestic abuse.

This one must really concern you.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

This one must really concern you.

Not at all Mr Pee Pants wont have any problem purchasing any gun of my choice.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yep as well as ammo. It was load the mag day around here to get ready for the summer fun season. I loaded up 28 of my AK-47 mags and 27 of my AR-15 mags, oh and **** Barry with a rusty hammer.

Rep..

[Aries Walker]

In case anyone's curious about the public opinion of gun control today, Gallup has a whole page on it.

[LiveSteam]

My guns are to keep me safe from Global warming & climate change.