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Colin Kaepernick can't cash in

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has found holes in opposing defenses and the CBA.

Thanks to the collective bargaining agreement that the NFL and NFLPA negotiated in July 2011, what San Francisco is paying Kaepernick to take the team to Super Bowl XLVII is a steal. And the Seattle Seahawks are paying even less to quarterback Russell Wilson, who took the team to the divisional playoff round and set up the franchise for the next decade.

There might not be two athletes in any sport as underpaid as Kaepernick and Wilson, two NFC West quarterbacks who figure to square off for years to come. It's off-the-charts ridiculousness, their salaries. It's thievery, nearly criminal.

Sixty minutes from a world championship, Kaepernick is finishing up Year Two of a four-year, $5.12 million deal that is worth more than $3 million less in full than what Mark Sanchez will make from the New York Jets next season.

Yet Kaepernick has no out. He is locked into the deal until after the 2013 season.

Wilson's deal is even more glaringly incongruous. He signed a four-year, $2.99 million deal that is worth $6 million less in full than what Kevin Kolb is scheduled to make from Seattle's division rival Arizona Cardinals next season.

Like Kaepernick, Wilson has no way out. He is stuck with the deal until after the 2014 season, despite being added to the Pro Bowl this week and looking like he could go for years to come.

These two deals expose one of the biggest weaknesses in the CBA for the players and one of the biggest strengths for owners. Young NFL players have no choice but to suck it up for three years, even if they play at the level Kaepernick and Wilson have. Meanwhile, NFL owners get to build cheaply through the draft and own players' rights for five to six years, without the threat of arbitration that Major League Baseball has.

This is why good scouting and draft picks really are more valuable than ever before. The NFL never has seen good labor this cheap for this long.

How the league got here is easy enough to understand. During the most recent CBA negotiations, we saw an extreme backlash against the outlandish deals given to top draft picks in previous years, when a player such as former No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell walked away with $32 million in guaranteed money. So much attention was given to the issue that standout rookies in the new 10-year CBA now are being punished for it. In part because of Russell, Kaepernick and Wilson are underpaid.

There is no reprieve, no chance to be paid until a player has given a team three seasons. By then, some running backs, such as an Alfred Morris, will have plenty of wear on their tires. And as everyone prepares for Super Bowl XLVII, the storylines that follow it will be different than in the past.

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The Seahawks get to hang onto Russell Wilson at his current bargain price for two more seasons.
Young players such as Kaepernick who help lead their team to the Super Bowl cannot demand new deals the way they seemed to regularly in the past. It used to be like this: Player helps team to Super Bowl, player demands new deal, team rewards player for helping team, new deal gets done.

But that was old-school. New-school is the ultimate form of detention for standout young players. The CBA locks up their contracts for three years and throws away the key, with no chance of parole.

It would be much more equitable if certain allowances were made for extreme examples, players who glaringly outplay expectations. It would be hard to define what that level of play is, but suffice it to say that everyone would know. Any player who helps lead his team to the Super Bowl in his second year, as Kaepernick has done, or goes to the Pro Bowl in his first year, the way Wilson has, deserves to be rewarded, at least more than his existing rookie deal does.

Until the rules are adjusted, the players will continue to be wronged. And after watching Kaepernick and Wilson this season and seeing what they will earn in future seasons, one truth is self-evident: The holes in the CBA are a lot bigger than any they find in opposing defenses.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:36 PM   #91
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yes.

Russell Wilson should have the option to be able to hold out for a better contract after the year he had.
He can...
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the problem with this thread is people are getting confused between Sam Bradford and top 15 picks and Russell Wilson and Alfred Morris as late round picks.

2nd-7th round picks are still making the same amount of money they made during the Sam Bradford $60M guaranteed mega contracts...but guys like Chris Johnson (late 1st rounders) were at least able to hold out for more money after they outperformed their contracts...which is the total right move and should be the right of a player of that caliber...

now, the NFL RIGHTLY fixed and slotted NFL lottery picks guaranteeing their contracts as a bargaining chip (great move)...but somehow the NFLPA allowed them to right in a 3 year clause for rookies which is ****ing absurd and if I were Russell Wilson I'd be calling for the heads of all the leaders in the NFLPA

it's a travesty for guys like Alfred Morris
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He can hold out.
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doesn't that directly contradict the article in the OP?
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the problem with this thread is people are getting confused between Sam Bradford and top 15 picks and Russell Wilson and Alfred Morris as late round picks.
The problem with this thread is you're arguing a point you don't know jack shit about.

Every negotiation tool that was available before is now AFTER you sign your rookie contract...
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Colin Kaepernick can't cash in


Like Kaepernick, Wilson has no way out. He is stuck with the deal until after the 2014 season, despite being added to the Pro Bowl this week and looking like he could go for years to come.

These two deals expose one of the biggest weaknesses in the CBA for the players and one of the biggest strengths for owners. Young NFL players have no choice but to suck it up for three years, even if they play at the level Kaepernick and Wilson have. Meanwhile, NFL owners get to build cheaply through the draft and own players' rights for five to six years, without the threat of arbitration that Major League Baseball has.

So much attention was given to the issue that standout rookies in the new 10-year CBA now are being punished for it. In part because of Russell, Kaepernick and Wilson are underpaid.

There is no reprieve, no chance to be paid until a player has given a team three seasons. By then, some running backs, such as an Alfred Morris, will have plenty of wear on their tires.

Young players such as Kaepernick who help lead their team to the Super Bowl cannot demand new deals the way they seemed to regularly in the past.

New-school is the ultimate form of detention for standout young players. The CBA locks up their contracts for three years and throws away the key, with no chance of parole.

Until the rules are adjusted, the players will continue to be wronged. And after watching Kaepernick and Wilson this season and seeing what they will earn in future seasons, one truth is self-evident: The holes in the CBA are a lot bigger than any they find in opposing defenses.
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doesn't that directly contradict the article in the OP?
Are you telling me he has to report to camp? Or else what?
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The problem with this thread is you're arguing a point you don't know jack shit about.

Every negotiation tool that was available before is now AFTER you sign your rookie contract...
why don't you read the important parts that I just quoted...

looks like he can't holdout for more money...unless I am missing something
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Are you telling me he has to report to camp? Or else what?
well JFC

yeah he could retire if he wanted to



the point is, according to THIS SCHEFTER ARTICLE...there is nothing Wilson can do to get paid more until 2014.

THESE ARE THE POINTS I AM ARGUING.

I swear some of you are just ****ing dumb.
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Are you telling me he has to report to camp? Or else what?
He doesn't get paid.

And SF doesn't have a QB...
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I don't understand what Brock and Rausch just did there...

I expect it from Rausch, he's consistently wrong and argues terrible points and is always on the wrong side of the fence...

but Brock? He's a condescending asshole but he's usually at least logical. I have no idea what they just did there.
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well JFC

yeah he could retire if he wanted to



the point is, according to THIS SCHEFTER ARTICLE...there is nothing Wilson can do to get paid more until 2014.

THESE ARE THE POINTS I AM ARGUING.

I swear some of you are just ****ing dumb.
What do the 49ers do if Colin does not repot to camp? Try and think it through, waiter.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:43 PM   #102
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READ THIS

IT'S PRETTY ****ING CLEAR

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Like Kaepernick, Wilson has no way out. He is stuck with the deal until after the 2014 season, despite being added to the Pro Bowl this week and looking like he could go for years to come.

These two deals expose one of the biggest weaknesses in the CBA for the players and one of the biggest strengths for owners. Young NFL players have no choice but to suck it up for three years, even if they play at the level Kaepernick and Wilson have. Meanwhile, NFL owners get to build cheaply through the draft and own players' rights for five to six years, without the threat of arbitration that Major League Baseball has.

So much attention was given to the issue that standout rookies in the new 10-year CBA now are being punished for it. In part because of Russell, Kaepernick and Wilson are underpaid.

There is no reprieve, no chance to be paid until a player has given a team three seasons. By then, some running backs, such as an Alfred Morris, will have plenty of wear on their tires.

Young players such as Kaepernick who help lead their team to the Super Bowl cannot demand new deals the way they seemed to regularly in the past.

New-school is the ultimate form of detention for standout young players. The CBA locks up their contracts for three years and throws away the key, with no chance of parole.

Until the rules are adjusted, the players will continue to be wronged. And after watching Kaepernick and Wilson this season and seeing what they will earn in future seasons, one truth is self-evident: The holes in the CBA are a lot bigger than any they find in opposing defenses.
WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU GUYS EVEN TRYING TO SAY?
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What do the 49ers do if Colin does not repot to camp? Try and think it through, waiter.
ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE I HAVE NOW QUOTED TWICE, COLIN KAEPERNICK AND RUSSELL WILSON CANNOT GET NEW CONTRACTS NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.

So Kaepernick could sit out a year and then get a new contract and Wilson could sit out two years and then get a new contract...

So if that is where you are getting at, congratulations. Moron.
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BROCK. I'll even dumb it down for you one more notch.

Just read this one line. It's not hard. Just read it. One word at a time.

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