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Old 01-26-2013, 01:17 AM  
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Colin Kaepernick can't cash in

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has found holes in opposing defenses and the CBA.

Thanks to the collective bargaining agreement that the NFL and NFLPA negotiated in July 2011, what San Francisco is paying Kaepernick to take the team to Super Bowl XLVII is a steal. And the Seattle Seahawks are paying even less to quarterback Russell Wilson, who took the team to the divisional playoff round and set up the franchise for the next decade.

There might not be two athletes in any sport as underpaid as Kaepernick and Wilson, two NFC West quarterbacks who figure to square off for years to come. It's off-the-charts ridiculousness, their salaries. It's thievery, nearly criminal.

Sixty minutes from a world championship, Kaepernick is finishing up Year Two of a four-year, $5.12 million deal that is worth more than $3 million less in full than what Mark Sanchez will make from the New York Jets next season.

Yet Kaepernick has no out. He is locked into the deal until after the 2013 season.

Wilson's deal is even more glaringly incongruous. He signed a four-year, $2.99 million deal that is worth $6 million less in full than what Kevin Kolb is scheduled to make from Seattle's division rival Arizona Cardinals next season.

Like Kaepernick, Wilson has no way out. He is stuck with the deal until after the 2014 season, despite being added to the Pro Bowl this week and looking like he could go for years to come.

These two deals expose one of the biggest weaknesses in the CBA for the players and one of the biggest strengths for owners. Young NFL players have no choice but to suck it up for three years, even if they play at the level Kaepernick and Wilson have. Meanwhile, NFL owners get to build cheaply through the draft and own players' rights for five to six years, without the threat of arbitration that Major League Baseball has.

This is why good scouting and draft picks really are more valuable than ever before. The NFL never has seen good labor this cheap for this long.

How the league got here is easy enough to understand. During the most recent CBA negotiations, we saw an extreme backlash against the outlandish deals given to top draft picks in previous years, when a player such as former No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell walked away with $32 million in guaranteed money. So much attention was given to the issue that standout rookies in the new 10-year CBA now are being punished for it. In part because of Russell, Kaepernick and Wilson are underpaid.

There is no reprieve, no chance to be paid until a player has given a team three seasons. By then, some running backs, such as an Alfred Morris, will have plenty of wear on their tires. And as everyone prepares for Super Bowl XLVII, the storylines that follow it will be different than in the past.

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The Seahawks get to hang onto Russell Wilson at his current bargain price for two more seasons.
Young players such as Kaepernick who help lead their team to the Super Bowl cannot demand new deals the way they seemed to regularly in the past. It used to be like this: Player helps team to Super Bowl, player demands new deal, team rewards player for helping team, new deal gets done.

But that was old-school. New-school is the ultimate form of detention for standout young players. The CBA locks up their contracts for three years and throws away the key, with no chance of parole.

It would be much more equitable if certain allowances were made for extreme examples, players who glaringly outplay expectations. It would be hard to define what that level of play is, but suffice it to say that everyone would know. Any player who helps lead his team to the Super Bowl in his second year, as Kaepernick has done, or goes to the Pro Bowl in his first year, the way Wilson has, deserves to be rewarded, at least more than his existing rookie deal does.

Until the rules are adjusted, the players will continue to be wronged. And after watching Kaepernick and Wilson this season and seeing what they will earn in future seasons, one truth is self-evident: The holes in the CBA are a lot bigger than any they find in opposing defenses.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #106
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I don't understand what Brock and Rausch just did there...

I expect it from Rausch, he's consistently wrong and argues terrible points and is always on the wrong side of the fence...
Your opinion, but also wrong.

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but Brock? He's a condescending asshole but he's usually at least logical. I have no idea what they just did there.
All draft day contracts are pretty much set in stone. When you come in you make $X.

After that you're in the NFL. The contract is ****ing meaningless. The new rules are there to keep rookies from eating up huge cap space and guaranteed $$$...
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:46 PM   #107
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Must suck to be dumber than a waiter, eh? I don't work in restaurants anymore but I know attacking someone's job when I'm wrong is the mature way to do things! For being a complete idiot in this thread, you at least showed you amazingly mature you are! Congrats.
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PLEASE RAUSCH. PLEASE. ONE WORD AT A TIME. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP POSTING THIS. JUST READ IT SLOWLY.

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Old 01-26-2013, 01:49 PM   #109
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Must suck to be dumber than a waiter, eh? I don't work in restaurants anymore but I know attacking someone's job when I'm wrong is the mature way to do things! For being a complete idiot in this thread, you at least showed you amazingly mature you are! Congrats.
Can you answer the question? Also, this fork is dirty, bring me a clean one.
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Can you answer the question? Also, this fork is dirty, bring me a clean one.
I've already answered your question now 4 times.

The NFL CBA would prevent the 49ers from reworking Kaepernick's contract EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

You're making yourself look like an asshole.
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this is where you should try and save face and leave the thread and pretend it never happened Brock. You usually don't subject yourself to looking like this big of a dipshit. I'm surprised.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:54 PM   #112
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This is a good rule by the NFL and NFLPA. I bet the Jags want the money they wasted on Gabbert back works both ways.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:55 PM   #113
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I've already answered your question now 4 times.

The NFL CBA would prevent the 49ers from reworking Kaepernick's contract EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

You're making yourself look like an asshole.
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This is a good rule by the NFL. I bet the Jags want the money they wasted on Gabbert back works both ways.
How so?

They are holding certain players hostage in a profession where careers can end in the matter of one hit.

It's a gross injustice to a person's livelihood. These are professionals and the ones who outperform their contracts deserve to have the right to seek proper compensation.

and besides, Gabbert makes less than Kyle Orton. He makes $3M a year (albeit fully guaranteed)
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the reason some people are on the wrong side of the fence here is because of all the media JaMarcus Russel, Sam Bradford and the top 10 picks used to make before the new CBA...

slotting the picks and paying them less (but guaranteed) contracts was the absolute right move and it was a total MUST because it was turning the #1 pick into a liability much of the time rather than a commodity

The veteran minimum is something like $850K per year. That's almost 3 times more per year than any 3rd-7th round pick makes...

Taking away these guys ability to renegotiate is wrong, plain and simple. The only way I would possibly agree is if they decided to make every single drafted rookie's contract guaranteed.

This isn't the NFL's fault, either. This is completely on the NFLPA. I can't believe they agreed to this '3 year' bullshit considering most NFL careers don't last 3 years.

Again, I know Wilson and Kaep are 99% of the time going to get their mega contracts. It's the Alfred Morris' that are held completely hostage.
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How so?

They are holding certain players hostage in a profession where careers can end in the matter of one hit.

It's a gross injustice to a person's livelihood. These are professionals and the ones who outperform their contracts deserve to have the right to seek proper compensation.

and besides, Gabbert makes less than Kyle Orton. He makes $3M a year (albeit fully guaranteed)
Rookie wage scale is a good thing. How many times did a NFL owner get ****ed before it? A LOT
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the reason some people are on the wrong side of the fence here is because of all the media JaMarcus Russel, Sam Bradford and the top 10 picks used to make before the new CBA...

slotting the picks and paying them less (but guaranteed) contracts was the absolute right move and it was a total MUST because it was turning the #1 pick into a liability much of the time rather than a commodity

The veteran minimum is something like $850K per year. That's almost 3 times more per year than any 3rd-7th round pick makes...

Taking away these guys ability to renegotiate is wrong, plain and simple. The only way I would possibly agree is if they decided to make every single drafted rookie's contract guaranteed.

This isn't the NFL's fault, either. This is completely on the NFLPA. I can't believe they agreed to this '3 year' bullshit considering most NFL careers don't last 3 years.

Again, I know Wilson and Kaep are 99% of the time going to get their mega contracts. It's the Alfred Morris' that are held completely hostage.
So you think it's ok for this ? Chiefs Make Eric Berry Highest Paid Safety In NFL History before he even plays a down?
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:03 PM   #118
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PLEASE RAUSCH. PLEASE. ONE WORD AT A TIME. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP POSTING THIS. JUST READ IT SLOWLY.
I've called the league office to confirm NFL rules.

I've talked to a NFL representative who confirmed the specific terms of a rule and the leverage the commissioner has (had) to levy temporary "amendments" by his discretion.

I posted the phone number of this individual on this site afterwards.

He got so many calls they changed the phone number 4 days later.

Older members will remember this (when Herm was rumored to come here and the "Gruden rule" was assumed to still be the law.)

I'm not just some tard who quotes a talking head and spouts garbage because my Halo level and years as a member should earn me credibility...
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I've already answered your question now 4 times.

The NFL CBA would prevent the 49ers from reworking Kaepernick's contract EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.
No.

You can talk louder but it doesn't validate your point...
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Rookie wage scale is a good thing. How many times did a NFL owner get ****ed before it? A LOT
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you're arguing a point I'm not arguing

the slotting scale for the 1st round is totally necessary and was totally needed...

but it hasn't changed one bit for picks 22 through Mr. Irrelevant

Paying Sam Bradford more than Tom Brady was disgusting and insane. They have this totally right. Give these top 10 picks 4 guaranteed years, that's fair. Totally 100% fair.

The fact that players can no longer receive new contracts or hold out for better deals until 3 years of service is disgusting, given the fact that NFL careers are so fragile and one hit could end it all.

The Seahawks have a $20M a year QB playing for $350,000 and he has to play for NFL welfare wage for two more seasons before he OR THE SEAHAWKS can even think about giving him a new deal.

The fact the NFLPA agreed to this is hilarious and shows their ineptitude.
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