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Old 01-26-2013, 12:17 AM  
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Colin Kaepernick can't cash in

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has found holes in opposing defenses and the CBA.

Thanks to the collective bargaining agreement that the NFL and NFLPA negotiated in July 2011, what San Francisco is paying Kaepernick to take the team to Super Bowl XLVII is a steal. And the Seattle Seahawks are paying even less to quarterback Russell Wilson, who took the team to the divisional playoff round and set up the franchise for the next decade.

There might not be two athletes in any sport as underpaid as Kaepernick and Wilson, two NFC West quarterbacks who figure to square off for years to come. It's off-the-charts ridiculousness, their salaries. It's thievery, nearly criminal.

Sixty minutes from a world championship, Kaepernick is finishing up Year Two of a four-year, $5.12 million deal that is worth more than $3 million less in full than what Mark Sanchez will make from the New York Jets next season.

Yet Kaepernick has no out. He is locked into the deal until after the 2013 season.

Wilson's deal is even more glaringly incongruous. He signed a four-year, $2.99 million deal that is worth $6 million less in full than what Kevin Kolb is scheduled to make from Seattle's division rival Arizona Cardinals next season.

Like Kaepernick, Wilson has no way out. He is stuck with the deal until after the 2014 season, despite being added to the Pro Bowl this week and looking like he could go for years to come.

These two deals expose one of the biggest weaknesses in the CBA for the players and one of the biggest strengths for owners. Young NFL players have no choice but to suck it up for three years, even if they play at the level Kaepernick and Wilson have. Meanwhile, NFL owners get to build cheaply through the draft and own players' rights for five to six years, without the threat of arbitration that Major League Baseball has.

This is why good scouting and draft picks really are more valuable than ever before. The NFL never has seen good labor this cheap for this long.

How the league got here is easy enough to understand. During the most recent CBA negotiations, we saw an extreme backlash against the outlandish deals given to top draft picks in previous years, when a player such as former No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell walked away with $32 million in guaranteed money. So much attention was given to the issue that standout rookies in the new 10-year CBA now are being punished for it. In part because of Russell, Kaepernick and Wilson are underpaid.

There is no reprieve, no chance to be paid until a player has given a team three seasons. By then, some running backs, such as an Alfred Morris, will have plenty of wear on their tires. And as everyone prepares for Super Bowl XLVII, the storylines that follow it will be different than in the past.

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The Seahawks get to hang onto Russell Wilson at his current bargain price for two more seasons.
Young players such as Kaepernick who help lead their team to the Super Bowl cannot demand new deals the way they seemed to regularly in the past. It used to be like this: Player helps team to Super Bowl, player demands new deal, team rewards player for helping team, new deal gets done.

But that was old-school. New-school is the ultimate form of detention for standout young players. The CBA locks up their contracts for three years and throws away the key, with no chance of parole.

It would be much more equitable if certain allowances were made for extreme examples, players who glaringly outplay expectations. It would be hard to define what that level of play is, but suffice it to say that everyone would know. Any player who helps lead his team to the Super Bowl in his second year, as Kaepernick has done, or goes to the Pro Bowl in his first year, the way Wilson has, deserves to be rewarded, at least more than his existing rookie deal does.

Until the rules are adjusted, the players will continue to be wronged. And after watching Kaepernick and Wilson this season and seeing what they will earn in future seasons, one truth is self-evident: The holes in the CBA are a lot bigger than any they find in opposing defenses.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:05 PM   #121
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I've called the league office to confirm NFL rules.

I've talked to a NFL representative who confirmed the specific terms of a rule and the leverage the commissioner has (had) to levy temporary "amendments" by his discretion.

I posted the phone number of this individual on this site afterwards.

He got so many calls they changed the phone number 4 days later.

Older members will remember this (when Herm was rumored to come here and the "Gruden rule" was assumed to still be the law.)

I'm not just some tard who quotes a talking head and spouts garbage because my Halo level and years as a member should earn me credibility...
WTF are you talking about?

THIS IS A BRAND NEW CBA. THIS IS A CLEAR RULE IN THE NEW CBA.

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You can't be this dumb, can you?

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Old 01-26-2013, 01:06 PM   #122
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The new CBA was designed to get NFL veterans the money not Rookies.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:07 PM   #123
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at least Brock was smart enough to run along once he realized he was wrong

I mean...fine. If you want to argue that players should prove their worth for 3 years before they get a new deal then ok. Fine. I disagree but agree that you're entitled to your opinion.

But to post incorrect nonsense and to cover your ears and scream "la la la" is ridiculous.

THE BRAND NEW CBA DOESN'T ALLOW ANY ROOKIE TO RENEGOTIATE HIS ROOKIE DEAL UNTIL AFTER 3 YEARS OF SERVICE.

THIS IS THE NEW CBA...THIS IS A RULE. THIS ISN'T A DEBATE.

Just because you called the league office 7 years ago and asked them a question about the old CBA doesn't mean anything to this new CBA. I mean...what?

Am I being trolled?
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:08 PM   #124
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The new CBA was designed to get NFL veterans the money not Rookies.
I don't necessarily disagree but I think guys like Wilson, Kaepernick and Morris should be able to at least have arbitration hearings and get fair raises after grossly outperforming their NFL "welfare" contracts.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:08 PM   #125
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This is a big "so what" for me. Teams get stuck with all kinds of dead money after a player doesn't play to potential and they have no "out" for the situation. That's the case with both sides. You signed a deal under the current rules and you should honor the contract. Nothing to see here, IMO.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:09 PM   #126
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I've called the league office to confirm NFL rules.

I've talked to a NFL representative who confirmed the specific terms of a rule and the leverage the commissioner has (had) to levy temporary "amendments" by his discretion.

I posted the phone number of this individual on this site afterwards.

He got so many calls they changed the phone number 4 days later.

Older members will remember this (when Herm was rumored to come here and the "Gruden rule" was assumed to still be the law.)

I'm not just some tard who quotes a talking head and spouts garbage because my Halo level and years as a member should earn me credibility...
New CBA limits early renegotiated contracts
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 25, 2011, 10:26 PM EST
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Chris Johnson is lucky that he got a little pay raise before his third season in 2010. In the future, that type of renegotiation won’t exist.

As pointed out by agent David Canter, incoming players will not be able to renegotiate contracts before the end of the third season on their rookie contracts. Undrafted players can renegotiate after their second year.

It was pretty rare for guys to get new deals that early in their career, but not unprecedented. While the move seemingly protects teams from holdouts from players like Johnson, it could also limit teams from making early risk: reward bets.

For example, the Eagles locked up young guys like Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, and Mike Patterson after only two years. (Patterson signed an eight-year deal in 2006 after playing only two seasons.) They wouldn’t be able to make those deals now.

Still, we can’t argue too heavily with any rule that prevents possible holdout drama before it starts.
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I've called the league office to confirm NFL rules.

I've talked to a NFL representative who confirmed the specific terms of a rule and the leverage the commissioner has (had) to levy temporary "amendments" by his discretion.

I posted the phone number of this individual on this site afterwards.

He got so many calls they changed the phone number 4 days later.

Older members will remember this (when Herm was rumored to come here and the "Gruden rule" was assumed to still be the law.)

I'm not just some tard who quotes a talking head and spouts garbage because my Halo level and years as a member should earn me credibility...
P.S. This might be the dumbest post I've read in the history of ChiefsPlanet.

You're telling me I'm wrong because you called the league office back before Herm Edwards was the coach of the Chiefs and confirmed something that has nothing to do with the brand new CBA that was put in before the Cam Newton draft.

...what?

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the NFL needs an arbitration system after a rookie's first year put in place...it's only fair.

Russell Wilson wins a starting job...he should get the opportunity for arbitration for his 2nd, 3rd and 4th years on his rookie contract.

I'm not saying he should be making $15M per year.

But he should definitely be able to make up to the Andrew Luck cap...which is $6M per year.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:13 PM   #129
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the NFL needs an arbitration system after a rookie's first year put in place...it's only fair.

Russell Wilson wins a starting job...he should get the opportunity for arbitration for his 2nd, 3rd and 4th years on his rookie contract.

I'm not saying he should be making $15M per year.

But he should definitely be able to make up to the Andrew Luck cap...which is $6M per year.
When year 3 comes The Seahawks will make it up to him trust me.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:14 PM   #130
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the NFL needs an arbitration system after a rookie's first year put in place...it's only fair.

Russell Wilson wins a starting job...he should get the opportunity for arbitration for his 2nd, 3rd and 4th years on his rookie contract.

I'm not saying he should be making $15M per year.

But he should definitely be able to make up to the Andrew Luck cap...which is $6M per year.
Don't agree this is killing Baseball. Plus really cant do that with a salary cap.
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When year 3 comes The Seahawks will make it up to him trust me.
I'm sure they will assuming he doesn't get paralyzed in a car accident.

If you'd read my god damn posts I'm saying it's more unfair to the Alfred Morris' of the NFL than the Russel Wilson's.
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the team basically holds Alfred Morris' rights for 5 years so even after 3 years he'd have to sign a team friendly contract to get any sort of money and that's assuming he isn't washed up after 3 years because his style of play only holds up for a maximum of 5 years if you look at the NFL trends of a Cedric Benson kind of back.

It's ridiculous that his career earning will likely be less than $10M (and that's before taxes and agent fees) when he's producing 1600+ yards rushing in his 1st NFL season.

He should be able to get some sort of arbitration. But hey, the NFLPA agreed to this so the players have no one to blame other than their own union.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:20 PM   #133
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P.S. This might be the dumbest post I've read in the history of ChiefsPlanet.

You're telling me I'm wrong because you called the league office back before Herm Edwards was the coach of the Chiefs and confirmed something that has nothing to do with the brand new CBA that was put in before the Cam Newton draft.

...what?

No, I'm stating that if I'm going to get irate and yell at people it's either me just ****ing with someone for fun or I mean it.

Yes, I understand that a big part of the new CBA was "locked in" contracts. That will be challenged. With this many rookies/2nd year starters I expect it sooner than later.

If I understand it correctly not honoring your rookie deal means the team is not required to pay you any part of that contract. No guaranteed money.

It means you play for your contract or sit out and wait to get traded (which teams can NOW afford to do because their contracts are cheaper and without penalty.)
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:23 PM   #134
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the team basically holds Alfred Morris' rights for 5 years so even after 3 years he'd have to sign a team friendly contract to get any sort of money and that's assuming he isn't washed up after 3 years because his style of play only holds up for a maximum of 5 years if you look at the NFL trends of a Cedric Benson kind of back.

It's ridiculous that his career earning will likely be less than $10M (and that's before taxes and agent fees) when he's producing 1600+ yards rushing in his 1st NFL season.

He should be able to get some sort of arbitration. But hey, the NFLPA agreed to this so the players have no one to blame other than their own union.

Would've be nice if the NFLPA got into the new CBA that Teams cant RFA Tag them after Rookie deal.
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the NFL needs an arbitration system after a rookie's first year put in place...it's only fair.

Russell Wilson wins a starting job...he should get the opportunity for arbitration for his 2nd, 3rd and 4th years on his rookie contract.

I'm not saying he should be making $15M per year.

But he should definitely be able to make up to the Andrew Luck cap...which is $6M per year.
It's a contract. Fairness has nothing to do with it. It was a signed contract in good faith by both parties under the current rules. Nobody is suffering, here. No injustice has been done.
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