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Old 01-26-2013, 04:59 PM  
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So, you say you aren't just a party line type of person?

Ok, let's just see how reasonable people here are. I want you to tell us what policies, concepts, beliefs, you support that are championed by an opposing party.

Of course I will start.

As a right leaning person I support the Left on the following...

1. Gay marriage
2. Legalize Pot
3. Streamlined immigration process
4. Abortion for rape and incest victims
5. Stronger background checks on firearms
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:47 AM   #31
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If it's a social issue, I lean left. If it's a fiscal issue, I lean right. I really need a new American political party to vote for.
Me to.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:49 AM   #32
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You do not lean right on fiscal issues.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:38 AM   #33
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:41 AM   #34
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If it's a social issue, I lean left. If it's a fiscal issue, I lean right. I really need a new American political party to vote for.
+1 and sums up my political feelings to a tee. I like Obama for social issuues but his fiscal approach is nauseating. But when the other party provides a Mitt Romney, it ties your hands at the voting booth. What a shame this last election was.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:42 AM   #35
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You do not lean right on fiscal issues.
Absolutely.

I'm just not a steer the ship of state off a cliff immediately type. 20% cut in Defense spending, 10% cut in all entitlements, General spending cuts of 3-4% a year for 3-4 years. You know, like sane responses to cutting the budget, oh wait.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:04 AM   #36
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:18 AM   #37
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Ok, let's just see how reasonable people here are. I want you to tell us what policies, concepts, beliefs, you support that are championed by an opposing party.

Of course I will start.

As a right leaning person I support the Left on the following...

1. Gay marriage
2. Legalize Pot
3. Streamlined immigration process
4. Abortion for rape and incest victims
5. Stronger background checks on firearms
Those are all social issues. I think there is a growing crowd of socially liberal, fiscally conservatives. I know people want to call that libertarian, but it's not. Think the populist appeal is in moderation of fiscal spending and socialism vs. being full-out in support of either side. That's about where I stand.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:34 AM   #38
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I believe that a person should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't negatively affect another person.

Drugs, guns, sexual orientation, etc. I don't know what party the falls under, but that is what I believe.

It's called freedom and personal responsibility.
ya, pretty much sweep my street & leave the rest to me. ****ing idiots can't even deliver my ****ing mail without going belly up every five years.

thousands of military bases worldwide, over a hundred battleships/destroyers patrolling worldwide, some 40 subs patrolling beneath the surface.

every country/territory american gov't has invaded over the course of fifty years is exploding in population. all the "outsourced" countries are completely artificially inflated economies.

When this goes bang, it is going to be ugly.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:42 AM   #39
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Ok, let's just see how reasonable people here are. I want you to tell us what policies, concepts, beliefs, you support that are championed by an opposing party.

Of course I will start.

As a right leaning person I support the Left on the following...

1. Gay marriage
2. Legalize Pot
3. Streamlined immigration process
4. Abortion for rape and incest victims
5. Stronger background checks on firearms

and so

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I'm also a lifer republican & I oppose background checks for a few reasons;

* the purpose is to deny a known criminal, arms access. well, if you already are in the system, then why not use the system against criminals instead of using a different system to check everyone else as well. lunacy. bureaucratic fail.

* now that you are in fact in the criminal records system, you need to be identified through your identification information -- your driver license or I.D. card, which is require by law.

* all states should coordinate criminal identification. whether it be rapists, killers, thieves -- what ever. the info isn't detailed, it is flagged.

* the DOJ is already a system. use it. make it accountable. make it accurate. make it work.


Tired of the bureaucratic murk. It works wonderfully in the private sector -- no license, no rental car. yet the rental car industry just keeps plugging along quite nicely and without fail.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:50 AM   #40
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The current Republican party? Ummm... I will have to think about this one. They are pretty far out there anymore

Probably military and immigration are the 2 biggest ones I would agree with some of them on.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:06 AM   #41
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If it's a social issue, I lean left. If it's a fiscal issue, I lean right. I really need a new American political party to vote for.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:11 AM   #42
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I think there is a growing crowd of socially liberal, fiscally conservatives.
I don't know if that growing crowd is all like minded though. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" means different things to different people. For example, is Obamacare a social issue or a fiscal issue? Welfare? Subsidized student loans? Housing?

Those are rhetorical questions because no matter what your view is, someone else who claims to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative sees it differently.

Are there any people who call themselves fiscally liberal, btw?

Edit: See, you're getting people like yourself, Rain Man, Flopnuts, and Dave Lane all claiming to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I could say the same thing about myself. That covers a pretty wide range of ideology. That kind of agreement is only possible when the words "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" have no clear meaning.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:17 AM   #43
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I don't know if that growing crowd is all like minded though. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" means different things to different people. For example, is Obamacare a social issue or a fiscal issue? Welfare? Subsidized student loans? Housing?

Those are rhetorical questions because no matter what your view is, someone else who claims to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative sees it differently.

Are there any people who call themselves fiscally liberal, btw?

Edit: See, you're getting people like yourself, Rain Man, Flopnuts, and Dave Lane all claiming to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I could say the same thing about myself. That covers a pretty wide range of ideology. That kind of agreement is only possible when the words "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" have no clear meaning.
Very good points. Great post.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:06 PM   #44
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I don't know if that growing crowd is all like minded though. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" means different things to different people. For example, is Obamacare a social issue or a fiscal issue? Welfare? Subsidized student loans? Housing?

Those are rhetorical questions because no matter what your view is, someone else who claims to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative sees it differently.

Are there any people who call themselves fiscally liberal, btw?

Edit: See, you're getting people like yourself, Rain Man, Flopnuts, and Dave Lane all claiming to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I could say the same thing about myself. That covers a pretty wide range of ideology. That kind of agreement is only possible when the words "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" have no clear meaning.
Fiscally conservative / socially liberal is a term I hear a lot. I always read "socially liberal" to talk about issues that don't have much financial impact. Civil rights, gay rights, abortion, etc....

Fiscal deals with financial impact and tends to be completely separate. Fiscal conservatives will say they want to limit government spending even if it positively impacts social groups but particularly for wasteful spending, whereas fiscally liberal will say that spending should be escalated and some of the more privileged should foot the bill.

I think the distinction is actually pretty crystal clear.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:19 PM   #45
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Absolutely.

I'm just not a steer the ship of state off a cliff immediately type. 20% cut in Defense spending, 10% cut in all entitlements, General spending cuts of 3-4% a year for 3-4 years. You know, like sane responses to cutting the budget, oh wait.
But you believe in govt spending money during a recession. THAT is not fiscally conservative.

Furthermore, Ron Paul, although conservative personally, is willing to allow others to be socially liberal while being fiscally conservative and you consider him a loon and whack job. That says all.
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