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Old 09-18-2012, 09:02 PM  
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:02 AM   #1006
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With all this franchise fan base has been thru, there are still ass holes who would rather have a franchise LT than taking a chance to developing our own franchise qb.


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There is more than one way of looking at that though. Some would say the QB crop is MUCH better next year. I would be inclined to agree.

The question is, do we know enough about the guys coming out next year to definitively say they are better than Barkley or Geno? I'd say success wise Johnny Manziel and Tajh Boyd's success could rival Geno's, but Manziel is not ready and Tajh Boyd is very Russell Wilson-esque and wouldn't necessarily fit into Reid's system.

Teddy B would probably be a guy Reid would be very interested in but he is still very young and we need to see how he does next year.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:11 AM   #1007
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There is more than one way of looking at that though. Some would say the QB crop is MUCH better next year. I would be inclined to agree.

The question is, do we know enough about the guys coming out next year to definitively say they are better than Barkley or Geno? I'd say success wise Johnny Manziel and Tajh Boyd's success could rival Geno's, but Manziel is not ready and Tajh Boyd is very Russell Wilson-esque and wouldn't necessarily fit into Reid's system.

Teddy B would probably be a guy Reid would be very interested in but he is still very young and we need to see how he does next year.
Would you like to guess how many years that we've been told by the "Don't draft" QB crowd that the next draft is going to be better than the one right in front of us?
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:19 AM   #1008
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Would you like to guess how many years that we've been told by the "Don't draft" QB crowd that the next draft is going to be better than the one right in front of us?
How many years were you told that the current QB draft class is one of the worst in a long time? Because it is.

And I feel like you ignored the part about us not knowing if the next crop are definitively better than Geno or Barkley.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:24 AM   #1009
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How many years were you told that the current QB draft class is one of the worst in a long time? Because it is.

And I feel like you ignored the part about us not knowing if the next crop are definitively better than Geno or Barkley.
I don't care about the dumbass talking heads telling us some bullshit about this being a weak class.

I have eyes, I can see and judge for myself.

I have posted the last 5 QB classes prior to last year a couple of times on this forum, and have challenged anyone to show me which of those classes was actually better.

And I didn't ignore the part about next year's class being definitively better.

That was the entire point of my post.

We have heard the same thing for years, and rarely has the next draft been definitively better.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:27 AM   #1010
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Value is how franchises are built, mortgaging the farm for one player is how the Rickey Williams Saints were built. If we play it safe and make incremental improvements, and draft QBS every year in the mid rounds, we will hit on one and be fine. And maintain a high standard on the roster as well, because value earns you the most, as opposed to continually buying lottery tickets and hoping
You obviously don't realize the new CBA no longer mortgages a teams future. There is no financial risk with the high pick anymore. at least nowhere near what it used to be.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:31 AM   #1011
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I don't care about the dumbass talking heads telling us some bullshit about this being a weak class.

I have eyes, I can see and judge for myself.

I have posted the last 5 QB classes prior to last year a couple of times on this forum, and have challenged anyone to show me which of those classes was actually better.

And I didn't ignore the part about next year's class being definitively better.

That was the entire point of my post.

We have heard the same thing for years, and rarely has the next draft been definitively better.
Which means you are agreeing with me, so I don't really see what you are trying to argue. I said we don't know if they are better. Which implies you don't wait to find out.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:34 AM   #1012
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There is more than one way of looking at that though. Some would say the QB crop is MUCH better next year. I would be inclined to agree.

The question is, do we know enough about the guys coming out next year to definitively say they are better than Barkley or Geno? I'd say success wise Johnny Manziel and Tajh Boyd's success could rival Geno's, but Manziel is not ready and Tajh Boyd is very Russell Wilson-esque and wouldn't necessarily fit into Reid's system.

Teddy B would probably be a guy Reid would be very interested in but he is still very young and we need to see how he does next year.
Yet another person that hasn't seen Tajh Boyd play.

He doesn't have ONE TENTH of Russell Wilson's accuracy.

Teddy Bridgewater is the only QB in the class even worth talking about at this point.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:34 AM   #1013
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Which means you are agreeing with me, so I don't really see what you are trying to argue. I said we don't know if they are better. Which implies you don't wait to find out.
I was simply pointing out the number of years that we've been told on here to wait till next year.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:35 AM   #1014
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I was simply pointing out the number of years that we've been told on here to wait till next year.
Hopefully this is the last year we hear that about a QB for at least a decade.
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Ah the infamous wait til next year. Never heard that's before.


Realizing that bridgewater had the same season geno did last year so that this time next year we will be over analyzing and being told to wait again.


So no **** that
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:52 AM   #1016
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If for some reason Albert isn't re-signed,

Then the pick HAS to be OT Luke Joeckel, and you take a QB in the second.

and suck my dick if you disagree.
Yeah. Can't take a QB until the Oline is perfect. In building a team in the NFL today, it's always wise to wait until the other 21 starters are good until getting a QB.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:57 AM   #1017
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Yeah. Can't take a QB until the Oline is perfect. In building a team in the NFL today, it's always wise to wait until the other 21 starters are good until getting a QB.
You should see the Gabbert defenders in the Jaguars fandom. They are pretty much convinced that nothing is his fault because the offensive line isn't top 10 in the league.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:05 PM   #1018
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You should see the Gabbert defenders in the Jaguars fandom. They are pretty much convinced that nothing is his fault because the offensive line isn't top 10 in the league.
Same thing happened with Cassel. It really makes you ashamed to be part of the same fan base. People get so caught up in certain rules of building a team, or what is necessary to win and they forgot to actually use common sense or their eyes. Just because the Oline or WR's are struggling doesn't mean that the QB doesn't also suck. Mark Sanchez had nothing to work with this year. That doesn't excuse him from sucking.
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You should see the Gabbert defenders in the Jaguars fandom. They are pretty much convinced that nothing is his fault because the offensive line isn't top 10 in the league.
Well I would argue that gabbert was trust IMO an awful situation. With all te Mjs problems and shit at wr, he should have been eased in
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Well I would argue that gabbert was trust IMO an awful situation. With all te Mjs problems and shit at wr, he should have been eased in
Well he was. And Gabbert is still like the 2nd youngest QB in the league and was never suppose to start his rookie year.

But the kid wasn't even that good in college. He should never have been taken as high as he was.
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