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***Official Draft Tyler Wilson Thread****

...might as well get this started early.

Perhaps his injury well allow him to slip to the middle of the of the 1st round,..where we tend to draft.




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Old 01-27-2013, 10:48 AM   #1786
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:55 AM   #1787
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You still don't get it. He's had Jackson and Maclin for a while. Before that he had Owens. Of course the last five or six years is going to be big in terms of throwing the deep ball. The stats I posted represent the deep ball. Also, if you want to say Reid always leads the league with the deep ball, you need to go all the way back 14 years like I did.

Frankly, it just isn't true.

The point is that Reid taylors his offense to his players strengths.
Please show me how any of the stats that you posted reflect in any way, the number of deep pass attempts?
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:18 AM   #1788
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Please show me how any of the stats that you posted reflect in any way, the number of deep pass attempts?
The guy that posted the other stats used YARDS PER ATTEMPT. My stats are a great argument for what he used. I have said repeatidly that the stats I posted clearly show where the ball was going. I have said multiple times that those stats are representative of deep passes and account for it. I am telling you that the deep pass attempts are reflective of the talent and speed every year Reid was coach.

If you don't like it, you go find the deep ball stats and prove me wrong. They should be easy to find. Note that if I was wrong, you could bet the farm that some mother ****er around here already would have posted them. They hate me and will take any shot they can.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:25 AM   #1789
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Again, you can't just pick and choose stats. Like I said, Reid taylors his offense to the players he has. When he has speed guys like Owens, Jackson, and Maclin the YPA goes up. When he had Westbrook, the YPA went up.

You guys don't know what in the hell you are talking about. Over most of his career Reid wasn't throwing it down the field.

1999 Pederson YPA 5.6 Leading Receivers Torrence Small & Charles Johnson
2000 McNabb YPA 5.9 Leading Receivers Charles Johnson & Chad Lewis
2001 McNabb YPA 6.6 - Leading Receivers James Thrash & Todd Pinkston
2002 McNabb YPA 6.3 Leading Receivers James Thrash & Todd Pinkston
2003 McNabb YPA 6.7 Leading receivers James Thrash & Brian Westbrook
2004 McNabb YPA 8.3 - Leading Receivers Terrell Owens & Brian Westbrook
2005 McNabb YPA 7.0 - Leading Receivers LJ Smith & Brian Westbrook
2006 McNabb YPA 8.4 - Leading Receivers Brian Westbrook & LJ Smith
2007 McNabb YPA 7.0 Leading Receivers Brian Westbrook & Kevin Curtis
2008 McNabb YPA 6.9 Leading Receiver Desean Jackson & Brian Westbrook
2009 McNabb YPA 8.0 Leading receiver Brent Celek & Desean Jackson
2010 Vick YPA 8.1 Leading Receivers Lesean McCoy & Jeremy Maclin
2011 Vick YPA 7.8 Leading Receivers Jeremy Maclin & Brent Celek
2012 Vick YPA 6.7 _Leading Receivers Jeremy Maclin & Brent Celek

http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?...HI&seasonType=

This whole argument about Geno being a "perfect fit" for Reid's system because Reid loves to throw it down the field is absolute horseshit. Reid is smart enough to do whatever he needs to do. He doesn't force his offense on players like Haley did. His offense is extremely flexible.
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The guy that posted the other stats used YARDS PER ATTEMPT. My stats are a great argument for what he used. I have said repeatidly that the stats I posted clearly show where the ball was going. I have said multiple times that those stats are representative of deep passes and account for it. I am telling you that the deep pass attempts are reflective of the talent and speed every year Reid was coach.

If you don't like it, you go find the deep ball stats and prove me wrong. They should be easy to find. Note that if I was wrong, you could bet the farm that some mother ****er around here already would have posted them. They hate me and will take any shot they can.
Maybe I'm missing something, but your stats only reflect yard per attempt.

The stats Clayton posted reflect number of passes attempted over 20 yards.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:30 AM   #1790
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I think this is as good a place as any to address a couple of things...

I like your takes. You are one of my favorites here. I know we have similar interests outside of football because we have talked about them briefly.

I told you that I was not lying about mayock's words. I don't know you personally and have no real way to convince you otherwise. I can only go by my word and I understand I haven't built up much credibility yet.

What I can tell you is that I think I have proven myself to be more honest than anyone who has ever posted on this site. Brutally honest about very personal things. I won't go back there.

Since you felt I was lying, you constantly follow me around and shit on threads. Calling me a liar and questioning my football IQ. I don't think I have the highest football IQ here. I have a lot to learn and am learning something new everyday. I hope people can learn from me too. I often go out of my to explain my takes.

I think you have a good football IQ but, for you to follow me around and tell me I don't watch football is horseshit. The Eagles were extremely well known for throwing the ball out of the backfield. Do you realize we took McCluster with our first 2nd round pick out of two to keep Reid from taking him?
You should know that if you have watched them over a long period of time. You should no they could never get over the hump until they got speed on the offensive side of th ball.

You say I'm an idiot for saying very common sense things like if we franchise Albert we are more likely to draft an OT #1 overall. What is so hard to understand about that? LTs are the hardest thing to find after QBs and you don't pick first every year. You think they are going to put Albert in a position where he has the upper hand in a looming contract negociation after he is tagged?

The point here is that there are several who follow me around responding to every post with SHIT. I am not the thread shitter, they are. You can fom your groups to come after me and you can waste months tryinbg to push me out but, it won't work. Probably, there has never been a poster so driven to be here.

I will not leave by my own choice. I am committed to following the rules this time and am done trolling. When I troll now I have made a point to say "j/k."

Just my ten cents...

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Old 01-27-2013, 11:34 AM   #1791
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Maybe I'm missing something, but your stats only reflect yard per attempt.

The stats Clayton posted reflect number of passes attempted over 20 yards.
Again, he went back to like 2007 which is five out of 14 years in Philly. He had speed during that time. My point is that Reid uses the tools he has and doesn't force his offense. I can't say it any other way. It's time to move on...
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:36 AM   #1792
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Again, he went back to like 2007 which is five out of 14 years in Philly. He had T.O, Jackson, and Maclin. He had speed. My point is that Reid uses the tools he has and doesn't force his offense. I can't say it any other way. It's time to move on...
No, it is not time to move on.

You just said that he simply posted yard per attempt, but now your argument is that he only went back to 2007.

The fact still remains, that you are the one that posted yards per attempt to support your argument, and I have told you that, in no way supports your argument.

Explain to me how I am wrong.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:39 AM   #1793
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No, it is not time to move on.

You just said that he simply posted yard per attempt, but now your argument is that he only went back to 2007.

The fact still remains, that you are the one that posted yards per attempt to support your argument, and I have told you that, in no way supports your argument.

Explain to me how I am wrong.
Go back to 1999 and see if the stats reflect the YPA. I'm not doing it. I know they do. I've made my point which is that Geno is no better for Reid's offense than Wilson is.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:43 AM   #1794
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Go back to 1999 and see if the stats reflect the YPA. I'm not doing it. I know they do. I've made my point which is that Geno is no better for Reid's offense than Wilson is.
Why would I care about YPA, you dipshit?

YPA do not, in any way, shape, or form, give you any indication of the number of deep pass attempts by the QB.

It is not that ****ing difficult to understand.

If a QB attempts 20 passes in a game, and completes 10 of those passes for 10 yards each, and the other 10 attempts are 20 yards or more, and incomplete, the YPA is going to be 5.0.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:44 AM   #1795
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Go back to 1999 and see if the stats reflect the YPA. I'm not doing it. I know they do. I've made my point which is that Geno is no better for Reid's offense than Wilson is.
Holy **** no one can be this stupid, can they?

No one gives a **** about ypa in this instance.

It's attempts over 20 yards that would support the argument either way.


You are wrong though so you, like most dumbasses, try to talk in circles and think other will get as confused as you do.

We aren't dumb
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I think this is as good a place as any to address a couple of things...
You're going to be defined on this site by the patterns you develop and foster. If the above post typifies your style, you'll be just fine.

There are posters here who are well liked and respected who got off to really terrible starts on CP.
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**** it, I'll compare the stats. I can use the credibility... give me a minute
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Note: Items in bold signify seasons Philly was ranked in the top five in 20+ yard passes.

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1999 – Pederson YPA 5.6 – Leading Receivers Torrence Small & Charles Johnson
2000 – McNabb YPA 5.9 – Leading Receivers Charles Johnson & Chad Lewis
2001 – McNabb YPA 6.6 - Leading Receivers James Thrash & Todd Pinkston
2002 – McNabb YPA 6.3 – Leading Receivers James Thrash & Todd Pinkston
2003 – McNabb YPA 6.7 – Leading receivers James Thrash & Brian Westbrook
2004 – McNabb YPA 8.3 - Leading Receivers Terrell Owens & Brian Westbrook
2005 – McNabb YPA 7.0 - Leading Receivers LJ Smith & Brian Westbrook
2006 – McNabb YPA 8.4 - Leading Receivers Brian Westbrook & LJ Smith
2007 – McNabb YPA 7.0 – Leading Receivers Brian Westbrook & Kevin Curtis
2008 – McNabb YPA 6.9 – Leading Receiver Desean Jackson & Brian Westbrook
2009 – McNabb YPA 8.0 – Leading receiver Brent Celek & Desean Jackson
2010 – Vick YPA 8.1 – Leading Receivers Lesean McCoy & Jeremy Maclin

2011 – Vick YPA 7.8 – Leading Receivers Jeremy Maclin & Brent Celek
2012 – Vick YPA 6.7 _Leading Receivers Jeremy Maclin & Brent Celek


2005 - (Ranked 5th) Terrell Owens led receivers with 16.2 YPR (Yards per Reception)
2006 - (Ranked 3rd) Donte Stallworth led receivers with 19.1 YPR
2009 - (Ranked 2nd) Desean Jackson led receivers with 18.5 YPR
2010 - (Ranked 4th) Desean Jackson led receivers with 22.5 YPR


Note that three of the four years were the highest YPA during Reid's tenor. I bolded those years above. The YPA and 20+ yards correlate 75% of the time. The time it didn't correlate was with the slowest talent of the three (Owens). Again, It goes back to the talent he had and speed on the field. It's about Reid catering to the player's strengths. When he had quality speed guys, he threw it deep the most. He's only cracked the top 5 in 20+ yard passes four times in his career.

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Note: Items in bold signify seasons Philly was ranked in the top five in 20+ yard passes.





2005 - (Ranked 5th) Terrell Owens led receivers with 16.2 YPR (Yards per Reception)
2006 - (Ranked 3rd) Donte Stallworth led receivers with 19.1 YPR
2009 - (Ranked 2nd) Desean Jackson led receivers with 18.5 YPR
2010 - (Ranked 4th) Desean Jackson led receivers with 22.5 YPR


Note that three of the four years were the highest YPA during Reid's tenor. I bolded those years above. The YPA and 20+ yards correlate 75% of the time. Again, It goes back to the talent he had and speed on the field. It's about Reid catering to the player's strengths. When he had quality speed guys, he threw it deep the most. He's only cracked the top 5 in 20+ yard passes four times in his career.
You still do not understand the concept.

You are posting the numbers for completed deep passes.

The fact that he had better deep threats to throw to will certainly improve the number of passes completed, and will enhance the YPA.

It still, however, does not reflect the number of deep passes attempted.
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