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Old 01-27-2013, 04:11 PM  
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"The GOP is dead!" - say what????

I'm curious to know why this keeps getting thrown out there. Obviously, the leftwing media is pushing the meme as hard as they can. That's the main culprit. But I'm wondering why all these GOP folks are bashing the party (Christie, Jindal, Powell, etc) and saying it "has to change".


Fact: the Presidential election was won by the incumbent. Like it nearly always is. Like nearly all elections are and have been. But many people seem shocked by it. If we look at the Conressional elections for the House, the vote was essentially even at 53 million per Party. How is that a landslide in terms of voter preference?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2096978.html


Fact: In 2014, Democrats hold 9 of the top 10 Senate seats projected to have the highest likelihood of switching. You can probably add Iowa to that list now with Harkin leaving:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ough-2014-map/



Here's the current tally of US Leadership:

1) The GOP has a 230-200 lead in the House with a 54-46% lead in reps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113th_U...tates_Congress

2) The GOP has 30 Governorships now, their highest total since 34 during the 1920s:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/06/politi...ces/index.html

3) The GOP has a 31-17 advantage in State Houses, with a 55-44% lead in State Reps:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...f_state_houses

4) The GOP has a 28-19 advantage in State Senates, with 52-44% lead in total Senators:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph..._state_senates




Net: If you want to talk about a bad time for the GOP, the 1930s and the 1960s (look at the carnage here after the 1964 elections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_Un...tates_Congress). Those were terrible times. Totally shut out of power at every level of Federal & State government. But that is hardly the case today. The gnashing of teeth may stop at any moment.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:48 PM   #31
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economy, energy, the breeding poor, corporatist politicians, downward pressure on wages. Just off the top of my head.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:55 PM   #32
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A) I said "partly due to gerrymandering".

B) it's becoming obvious you have no idea what gerrymandering is or how it works. Hint: the key is to give your opponent a few gigantic wins, and give yourself a bunch of 55/45 splits. In this way you can win more districts, which are based around physical landmasses, while still losing the popular vote.
So gerrymandering caused the 50-50 House vote this year? Interesting theory.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:58 PM   #33
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Were you a big fan of the Unskewed Polls guy before the election? I have a feeling you were. Even most Republicans who pay attention agree that Texas could become purple in a decade or so.

Cyclical. Nobody would've predicted the South completely flipping at the House and individual State level when Clinton (a southerner) won in 1992. That year the 10 former confederate states had all 20 branches of their state legislatures in Democrat control. Today, they hold zero.


Anything is possible. Except maybe Accurately predicting the US electorate is not possible.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:52 PM   #34
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So gerrymandering caused the 50-50 House vote this year? Interesting theory.
Again, what in the hell are you talking about? Which House?
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:53 PM   #35
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BS, Dems got a 1,000,000+ more votes than R's in the house votes. It was gerrymandering.
So Dems got a million more votes, but fewer seats. Which means that the districts in which they were elected the democratic majority was huge. THAT smacks of gerrymandering.
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Cyclical. Nobody would've predicted the South completely flipping at the House and individual State level when Clinton (a southerner) won in 1992. That year the 10 former confederate states had all 20 branches of their state legislatures in Democrat control. Today, they hold zero.


Anything is possible. Except maybe Accurately predicting the US electorate is not possible.
Nate Silver did a pretty good job of it. Got 50 out of 50 states two elections in a row I think. And almost every house and senate race.

Or you could just stick with Dick Morris.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:55 PM   #37
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I thought that they would reexamine themselves, and try to evolve, when they lost with McCain doing his best Bush Junior impersonation. Then they rolled Romney out there...
But they won in 2010 and thought the tea party was its saviour. reexamine went out the window.

They are not going to reexamine this time either. Just pretend to. They are not going to change their views, just don't talk about the unpopular ones. Bite the bullet on immigration. Pass the Dream act. Shut down the government over spending and the squester but don't fight over the debt ceiling. Samrt move on their part in all areas.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:01 PM   #38
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So Dems got a million more votes, but fewer seats. Which means that the districts in which they were elected the democratic majority was huge. THAT smacks of gerrymandering.
They gained one seat. But, yeah the R's went way overboard with gerrymandering in 2010. Worst partisan gerrymandering evah.

The Dems are just as guilty of the practice. But much like the filibuster use was escalated to new heights, the partisan gerrymandering was ramped up also.
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But they won in 2010 and thought the tea party was its saviour. reexamine went out the window.

They are not going to reexamine this time either. Just pretend to. They are not going to change their views, just don't talk about the unpopular ones. Bite the bullet on immigration. Pass the Dream act. Shut down the government over spending and the squester but don't fight over the debt ceiling. Samrt move on their part in all areas.
The problem with Republicans right now is that right wing media drives the base, which elects politicians. The tail is wagging the dog right now. And outlets like Fox and talk radio have zero incentive to turn down the rhetoric even if their party loses elections. That may even give them better ratings as people get more and more terrified of the coming moocher takeover.
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But they won in 2010 and thought the tea party was its saviour. reexamine went out the window.

They are not going to reexamine this time either. Just pretend to. They are not going to change their views, just don't talk about the unpopular ones. Bite the bullet on immigration. Pass the Dream act. Shut down the government over spending and the squester but don't fight over the debt ceiling. Samrt move on their part in all areas.
As Hillary said, "What difference does it make?"

Seriously abortion is a settled issue, until technology brings a new case, gay marriage is a state issue and so should smoking pot. The BIG issues will be acted on the same way by either party. Less freedom, less prosperity and less jobs. More globalism. Meanwhile, people who live in DC area are enjoying more wealth.

FP has been a bi-partisan game by both parties for half a century. Any differences are cosmetic.
Now it's close to the same on other issues:
• Promised a new era in govt transparency while regulating business under unprecedented secrecy
• Obama's healthcare scheme was done in league with the pharmaceutical and insurance industries
• Obama shoveled money to corporate America, banks and car manufacturers
• Obama championed bailouts for the same Wall Street firms that his partisans blamed Bush for the financial collapse
• Obama picked the CEO of GE for the unemployment problem
• Obama appointed corporate state regulators for every major role in financial central planning
So long as the left gets it's Bread and Circuses, they'll support him no matter how much more of a corporatist Obama is than Bush.
So long as they hear—tax the wealthy there's more of them and less of us! When it's becoming that way because of more govt while markets get the blame.

LOL! Is anyone awake?
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:59 PM   #41
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So Dems got a million more votes, but fewer seats. Which means that the districts in which they were elected the democratic majority was huge. THAT smacks of gerrymandering.
Not a million. Half that. Which is half a point difference. Which is my point, it was essentially a tie. Thanks.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:00 PM   #42
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The problem with Republicans right now is that right wing media drives the base, which elects politicians. The tail is wagging the dog right now. And outlets like Fox and talk radio have zero incentive to turn down the rhetoric even if their party loses elections. That may even give them better ratings as people get more and more terrified of the coming moocher takeover.
They're not losing a bunch of elections though. See the first post. They're winning plenty of elections, you just don't want to hear it.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:03 PM   #43
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They gained one seat. But, yeah the R's went way overboard with gerrymandering in 2010. Worst partisan gerrymandering evah.

The Dems are just as guilty of the practice. But much like the filibuster use was escalated to new heights, the partisan gerrymandering was ramped up also.
So it was the worst gerrymandering "evah". But the Dems are just as guilty. Interesting. Those are contrasting points, you are aware right?
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:13 PM   #44
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So it was the worst gerrymandering "evah". But the Dems are just as guilty. Interesting. Those are contrasting points, you are aware right?
both do it. This last time was the worst evah.

They are not one of the same. But you either know that and are trolling or just lack basic comprehension.

Maybe the latter since you haven't even responded to my post of Cruz telling the Republicans they are on a path to oblivion.
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both do it. This last time was the worst evah.

They are not one of the same. But you either know that and are trolling or just lack basic comprehension.

Maybe the latter since you haven't even responded to my post of Cruz telling the Republicans they are on a path to oblivion.
The Dems were just as bad in CA and Il. Indisputable. Maybe te Dems shouldn't have been cleaned out so badly in 2010 everywhere.
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