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Old 01-28-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Alex Smith to ask for release

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If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:32 AM   #61
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If released and we don't offer him too much money and only give him a 1-2 year contract then OK. No way I want to trade for him though.

For the record, I really don't want him at all, but if Mr. Andy likes him as a VERY short stop gap then OK.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:33 AM   #62
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He'll be looking for a starting job which means if KC brings him in they will not draft a qb in the first 2 rounds.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:34 AM   #63
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DJ you bring up a good point. Coach Reid will fit his offense to fit his personnel present. This isn't the Eagles roster. How the roster is situated currently, it fits a WCO QB like Alex Smith. Maybe the newly drafted QB fits the Philly mold more so but until we add the WR pieces to fit, it won't make much of a difference who we have at QB.

There isn't a big difference between a 2nd and 3rd round QB IMO. In this draft class especially.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:38 AM   #64
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So if he had to choose between a team not drafting a QB in the first round and horrible QBs currently, and the chiefs who might be taking Geno Smith #1 overall, you think he would go with the Chiefs?

You are delusional lol.
You are putting words in my mouth. What is the guarantee that any of the QB needy teams don't draft a QB in the first round.

All I'm saying is that anyway you swing it, Smith is going to have to compete for a job and will have to live w/ the very real possibility that a QB needy team that takes him in still drafts a QB. The Chiefs aren't alone here. If you think that any of the first 9 teams (other than the Lions) wouldn't take a QB in the first round, you are the delusional one my friend. Here is the list of those 8 teams. Smith is going to have no guarantees, regardless of where he ends up.

Now, yes, maybe he says "KC could draft Geno #1" and says no to them. But again, any of Chiefs, Jags, Raiders, Eagles, Browns, Cardinals, Bills, or Jets could also draft Geno (all pick in the top 10). In all likelihood though, he's going to take the team that gives him the most money (somewhat symbolic of their commitment to him) and go in and compete.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:39 AM   #65
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I have no NO desire to see Alex Smith in a Chief uniform none. Same as it ever was. His age and he is a retread. I don't think he is the kind of QB you would ask to pass the ball 40+ times like Andy Reid is wanting to ask the QB to do. He relies on the run game and playaction. I don't see Alex Smith having the arm strength and have to rely on his arm that many times a game each and every week.
Having no desire to see him in KC and making shit up to support that viewpoint are two separate creatures.

Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb are two very very similar QBs and Reid had no problem asking Kolb to throw the football. Moreover, I think Smith is a smarter, more accurate passer than Kolb ever was. Kolb was held back by his tendency to be a gunslinger without the physical skills to pull it off; Smith is much smarter than that.

There are ample reasons to be against Alex Smith as a Chief. We have an unprecedented opportunity to aggressively pursue a franchise-altering QB and Alex Smith clearly has a limited ceiling. And Smith is going to be 29 next season and likely won't come terribly cheap in FA.

But to argue that Reid can't make a successful QB out of Alex Smith because Smith's never been asked to be a mad bomber is nuts. There's no reason that Reid couldn't use Smith like he used Kolb and get a much better version of him for his efforts.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:41 AM   #66
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I repeat...

Why would Alex Smith willingly agree to sign with a team who just took a QB #1 overall, if he wants to start?
That is an excellent point. OTOH, he may not have much choice.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:41 AM   #67
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You are putting words in my mouth. What is the guarantee that any of the QB needy teams don't draft a QB in the first round.

All I'm saying is that anyway you swing it, Smith is going to have to compete for a job and will have to live w/ the very real possibility that a QB needy team that takes him in still drafts a QB. The Chiefs aren't alone here. If you think that any of the first 9 teams (other than the Lions) wouldn't take a QB in the first round, you are the delusional one my friend. Here is the list of those 8 teams. Smith is going to have no guarantees, regardless of where he ends up.

Now, yes, maybe he says "KC could draft Geno #1" and says no to them. But again, any of Chiefs, Jags, Raiders, Eagles, Browns, Cardinals, Bills, or Jets could also draft Geno (all pick in the top 10). In all likelihood though, he's going to take the team that gives him the most money (somewhat symbolic of their commitment to him) and go in and compete.

I think you are overrating Blaine Gabbert if you seriously think he will have to "Compete".

Unless the competition is "Don't close your eyes on a blitz".


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That is an excellent point. OTOH, he may not have much choice.

There will be several teams in need of a QB that won't be drafting one in the first round. My avatar is a good hint at one.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:43 AM   #68
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:44 AM   #69
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California said to sign him and draft Geno Smith #1 overall.

Alex Smith would have to be a complete moron to do that.
Not if he thinks he could beat out GSmith as the #1 QB. Reid's offense is perfect for ASmith's style of play (it fits GSmiths style as well). I think people forget that ASmith had a 70.2 completion percentage last year with a 13/5 TD/INT ratio-- in the NFL. That is pretty good, folks.

Geno has yet to take a snap in the NFL. KC is ASmith's best chance to make a deep run in the playoffs anytime in the near future.
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Having no desire to see him in KC and making shit up to support that viewpoint are two separate creatures.

Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb are two very very similar QBs and Reid had no problem asking Kolb to throw the football. Moreover, I think Smith is a smarter, more accurate passer than Kolb ever was. Kolb was held back by his tendency to be a gunslinger without the physical skills to pull it off; Smith is much smarter than that.

There are ample reasons to be against Alex Smith as a Chief. We have an unprecedented opportunity to aggressively pursue a franchise-altering QB and Alex Smith clearly has a limited ceiling. And Smith is going to be 29 next season and likely won't come terribly cheap in FA.

But to argue that Reid can't make a successful QB out of Alex Smith because Smith's never been asked to be a mad bomber is nuts. There's no reason that Reid couldn't use Smith like he used Kolb and get a much better version of him for his efforts.
So Alex Smith at age 29 is suppose to reinvent himself as a passing QB with passing in a game more than 40 times? He is expected to be successeful that way with out relying on the run game first? Have you seen his frame of body? He starts getting sacked he wont last long.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:46 AM   #71
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DJ you bring up a good point. Coach Reid will fit his offense to fit his personnel present. This isn't the Eagles roster. How the roster is situated currently, it fits a WCO QB like Alex Smith. Maybe the newly drafted QB fits the Philly mold more so but until we add the WR pieces to fit, it won't make much of a difference who we have at QB.

There isn't a big difference between a 2nd and 3rd 7th round QB IMO. In this draft class especially.
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He's only on the hook for $1M guaranteed but his 2013 contract is $7.5M plus that $1M roster bonus that is guaranteed. That's a lot to pay for a backup QB, and exactly the reason they would cut him.

I'm not saying he'll be there in 2013. I think there's ZERO chance of that.

But the point is he'll be TRADED, not cut.
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Not if he thinks he could beat out GSmith as the #1 QB. Reid's offense is perfect for ASmith's style of play (it fits GSmiths style as well). I think people forget that ASmith had a 70.2 completion percentage last year with a 13/5 TD/INT ratio-- in the NFL. That is pretty good, folks.

Geno has yet to take a snap in the NFL. KC is ASmith's best chance to make a deep run in the playoffs anytime in the near future.

Why would he even take the chance going against the #1 draft pick? He wants released to start.
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So Alex Smith at age 29 is suppose to reinvent himself as a passing QB with passing in a game more than 40 times? He is expected to be successeful that way with out relying on the run game first? Have you seen his frame of body? He starts getting sacked he wont last long.
How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.
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