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Old 01-28-2013, 09:26 AM  
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If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:58 AM   #76
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How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.
That's what I'm afraid of. Game manager not game winner. Draft a quarterback with our first and quit bringing in retreads. True fans. I swear.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:59 AM   #77
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How's he reinventing anything?

He's going to be the same QB he's always been, he's just going to be asked to do it more often.

Again - being asked to do the same thing slightly more often isn't being asked to do an entirely different thing. He's not suddenly going to be asked to be Peyton Manning out there, lining up the O and running a no-huddle. He's also not going to be asked to be Eli Manning, bombing balls downfield to Cruz and Nicks. He's going to be asked to run a WCO and hit WRs and RBs in space to give them room to make plays.

And like I said, Reid's teams don't utilize a true play-action set, but they do use the short passing game to create a similar impact. You act like play-fakes are like hitting a turbo button in Madden - no, they just get the LBs to freeze a little bit or safeties to bite - well that can be done by having Charles run out into the flat or by having Smith look to his slot WR as a first 'fauxption' before going to his true first read.

Reid has misdirection in his offenses, they're just slightly different. Of those 40 passes you're worried about, 10 of them will be off designed quick passes to the first read and/or RB - little stuff that is little more than a handoff in the grand scheme of things.

You're vastly overstating what changes Smith would have to make to his game and you're also underestimating what kind of tweaks Reid will have to make to his to fit the present personnel.
People here are sorely underrating Alex Smith. He was drafted when he was for a reason. Unfortunately he had to go through the same situation Gabbert is, and it makes it extremely hard for a QB to develop.

But once a QB like that finally Clicks, they rarely let it go. I'm not saying he will throw 4k yards consistently and 30TDs, but he will be a solid QB.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:03 AM   #78
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Why would he even take the chance going against the #1 draft pick? He wants released to start.
If you think you are a starting QB, then it really doesn't matter who you are competing against. If he is too afraid to compete against a rookie, then I really wouldn't want him on the team. With the new rookie pay scale, teams can afford to swing and miss--especially if they have a better player at a position.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:09 AM   #79
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If you think you are a starting QB, then it really doesn't matter who you are competing against. If he is too afraid to compete against a rookie, then I really wouldn't want him on the team. With the new rookie pay scale, teams can afford to swing and miss--especially if they have a better player at a position.
It's not a matter of whether or not he is too afraid to do anything. It would just be a stupid decision. His Agent will be well aware of this.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:10 AM   #80
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If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
Draft pick, Smith and no Stanzi
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:11 AM   #81
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My fear with Alex Smith is that he's a guy that's just good enough to PREVENT the team from drafting a true franchise prospect but he's not good enough to get over the hump.

I don't want to be stuck in another 4-5 years of "close but not quite".
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:17 AM   #82
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That's what I'm afraid of. Game manager not game winner. Draft a quarterback with our first and quit bringing in retreads. True fans. I swear.
Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:20 AM   #83
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Has Andy Reid ever met a Mormon QB he did not like? Ty? Koy? Alex next? I'm not suggesting it will happen, merely stating there is a trend. Idk, do Mormons stick together like that?
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Physical gifts-wise, he's Matt Cassel.

His instincts and decision making are much better, but not enough to excite me in any way whatsoever... because his arm is just too much of a noodle.

I want "DYNAMIC" to be one of the first words that come to mind when discussing our next QB.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:27 AM   #85
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Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.
Alex Smith is an average quarterback and yes he could find success with Andy Reid I am not say he can't but the fear of exactly what htismaqe says holds the same for me. I am sick of retread QUARTERBACKS PERIOD! Alex Smith is no different than the quarterbacks we have seen for the past 30 years. Sick of it. Draft Geno #1 and we can start somewhere other than other teams rejects. We don't need to pay Alex Smith on this team, he wasn't good enough for 9ers why do we keep wanting bring in retreads? **** Alex Smith

**** Alex Smith

**** Alex Smith & the "true fan" that want's to bring him here.
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I'm a Geno Smith guy also but there are some of us starting to look at the big picture and see how most franchises view things. At this moment there is no evidence that Geno is up near the top of best overall prospects. Time will tell after the combine and pro days. The Chiefs won't reach for a QB just because us fans are desperate for one at #1.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:30 AM   #87
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But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.
Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:32 AM   #88
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Physical gifts-wise, he's Matt Cassel.

His instincts and decision making are much better, but not enough to excite me in any way whatsoever... because his arm is just too much of a noodle.

I want "DYNAMIC" to be one of the first words that come to mind when discussing our next QB.
Give me smart and accurate.

Frankly, I don't think it's terribly likely that you'll ever hear Geno Smith being called a 'dynamic' quarterback. He makes his bones through touch/accuracy and being prudent with the football. He's a perfect Reid QB in that he combines that with an above average arm and mobility when needed, but he's not Stafford or even Josh Freeman back there.

I don't see ASmith as being the noodle-arm some are claiming here. His arm strength is really pretty similar to Sam Bradford's. If you're going to use a Bell Curve for starting NFL quarterbacks, he's probably gets a C-. He doesn't have a cannon, but he's also not Ponder (in fact, I think his arm is probably better than Daltons, but Dalton gets to throw to AJ Green).
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Alex Smith is an average quarterback and yes he could find success with Andy Reid I am not say he can't but the fear of exactly what htismaqe says holds the same for me. I am sick of retread QUARTERBACKS PERIOD! Alex Smith is no different than the quarterbacks we have seen for the past 30 years. Sick of it. Draft Geno #1 and we can start somewhere other than other teams rejects. We don't need to pay Alex Smith on this team, he wasn't good enough for 9ers why do we keep wanting bring in retreads? **** Alex Smith

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Ah...so emotion and animus as the foundation for building a 53 man roster.

Got it.
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Blow me.

I've wanted Geno Smith for over a year and still do. But unlike you and some others, I'm not going to manipulate facts to fit my narrative.

Smith's a fine NFL quarterback. 'smaqe has the most legitimate concern of all - he may be just good enough to put us into quarterback purgatory, in fact. Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure.

But don't sit here and act like Smith couldn't be successful in Reid's system - he absolutely could be.
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