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Old 01-28-2013, 08:26 AM  
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If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:37 AM   #91
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Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.
That's really my point.

Yeah, I want Geno Smith in here, but that's not going to stop me from looking objectively at Alex Smith. And you bring up a very good name with Trent Green - they're very similar players and Trent Green was not the reason we failed under Vermeil.

One can argue strongly in favor of Geno without having to shit on Alex. Geno is a good enough prospect to succeed on his merits and win on argument solely on the strength of same. As this is an Alex Smith thread and not yet another Geno Smith thread, shouldn't we try to discuss Smith in a vacuum? Or at least with some degree of objectivity?

Alex Smith could easily be another Trent Green for us. And while that's not as sexy as being the next Aaron Rodgers - there's value in it.

I'll be damn bummed out if we go with Alex over Geno. But there's some chicken salad that could eventually be made out of it.

And with the loads of chicken shit we've been shoveled over the last 1/2 decade, a little chicken salad would be a nice start.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:39 AM   #92
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Ah...so emotion and animus as the foundation for building a 53 man roster.

Got it.
Got it so you aprove of how Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli did things to bring us a Super Bowl Championship. Bringing in Alex Smith is no different than what they did.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:40 AM   #93
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Give me smart and accurate.

Frankly, I don't think it's terribly likely that you'll ever hear Geno Smith being called a 'dynamic' quarterback. He makes his bones through touch/accuracy and being prudent with the football. He's a perfect Reid QB in that he combines that with an above average arm and mobility when needed, but he's not Stafford or even Josh Freeman back there.

I don't see ASmith as being the noodle-arm some are claiming here. His arm strength is really pretty similar to Sam Bradford's. If you're going to use a Bell Curve for starting NFL quarterbacks, he's probably gets a C-. He doesn't have a cannon, but he's also not Ponder (in fact, I think his arm is probably better than Daltons, but Dalton gets to throw to AJ Green).
Yeah, he's definitely a qualified pro, no question about it... there simply isnt any excitement factor about him in most eyes.

The single most damning statement i've read on him, maybe ever, is yours...

"Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure"

I dont want to top out at that, thats not the goal.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:41 AM   #94
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I'm a Geno Smith guy also but there are some of us starting to look at the big picture and see how most franchises view things. At this moment there is no evidence that Geno is up near the top of best overall prospects. Time will tell after the combine and pro days. The Chiefs won't reach for a QB just because us fans are desperate for one at #1.
Except for the fact that guys that do REAL scouting for a living, like Dan Shonka, have Geno Smith at the top of their big boards, yeah, there's no evidence...

Look, I like you and think you bring a lot to the discussion.

But the whole "some of us starting to look at the big picture and see how most franchises view things" is pretty condescending.

You don't know, anymore than the rest of us, what teams are thinking. Looking at things conservatively doesn't make you correct.
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Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.
This is kind of where I'm at.
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Got it so you aprove of how Carl Peterson and Scott ***** did things to bring us a Super Bowl Championship. Bringing in Alex Smith is no different than what they did.
So you're going to continue to try to get the angry mob on your side by ignoring the substance of my posts and instead citing names that you know people won't like, eh?

You really suck at this.

Go ahead and point out where I endorsed bringing in Alex Smith instead of Geno Smith.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:45 AM   #97
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Smith is a nice QB. He's athletic, very smart, very accurate and has a nice feel for the game.

However, he doesn't have an arm that's going to allow him to go over the top of defenses with regularity.

He's most likely going to end up in Arizona as he's a west coast guy originally, but there is a possibility of him in Kansas City, New York Jets, Jacksonville, Oakland, San Diego (there's a lot of fans beginning to really get vocal about Rivers and his shitty attitude and inability to get anything done in the red zone year after year), Dallas (see Rivers), Cleveland or even Tampa Bay, where Freeman looks to have regressed but there is talent around him now.

Right now, I'd put Smith's list as:

1. Cardinals
2. Browns
3. Chiefs
4. Jaguars
5. Jets

Alex Smith is a major upgrade to anyone we have on the roster, but I'd much rather have Geno, sign Jason Campbell (who is a UFA that has nice skills, a good arm and experience in the league) and draft another guy in 2013 in the later rounds. As it stands, I think Campbell would be absolutely perfect in Reid's offense and is at the point of his career where he'd take that backup role to a guy like Geno.

In this day and age, you've got to have a guy who possesses the threat of taking the top off the defense. Geno has displayed that numerous times throughout his college career.
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So you're going to continue to try to get the angry mob on your side by ignoring the substance of my posts and instead citing names that you know people won't like, eh?

You really suck at this.

Go ahead and point out where I endorsed bringing in Alex Smith instead of Geno Smith.

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I have read that you want Geno Smith I am super cool with that. You also suggest that bringing in Alex Smith would be a good thing. I argue with that on that notion.
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Why wouldnt you want Smith as a backup?
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Smith is a nice QB. He's athletic, very smart, very accurate and has a nice feel for the game.

However, he doesn't have an arm that's going to allow him to go over the top of defenses with regularity.

He's most likely going to end up in Arizona as he's a west coast guy originally, but there is a possibility of him in Kansas City, New York Jets, Jacksonville, Oakland, San Diego (there's a lot of fans beginning to really get vocal about Rivers and his shitty attitude and inability to get anything done in the red zone year after year), Dallas (see Rivers), Cleveland or even Tampa Bay, where Freeman looks to have regressed but there is talent around him now.

Right now, I'd put Smith's list as:

1. Cardinals
2. Browns
3. Chiefs
4. Jaguars
5. Jets

Alex Smith is a major upgrade to anyone we have on the roster, but I'd much rather have Geno, sign Jason Campbell (who is a UFA that has nice skills, a good arm and experience in the league) and draft another guy in 2013 in the later rounds. As it stands, I think Campbell would be absolutely perfect in Reid's offense and is at the point of his career where he'd take that backup role to a guy like Geno.

In this day and age, you've got to have a guy who possesses the threat of taking the top off the defense. Geno has displayed that numerous times throughout his college career.
I don't think Smith fits in Phoenix.

If there's a guy out there that likes to throw deep more than Reid, it's Arians.
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Not wanting Alex Smith is more an issue of pride for me than anything. I imagine it's the same for other posters.

Even though Smith is a far more talented QB than Cassel, and even though he'd be coming aboard as a stop gap to our first round QB in this scenario, it's just been such a shitfest the past seven years that I can't take anymore. We took New England's 3rd stringer (Damon Huard) and made him our STARTER. And if that wasn't bad enough, we paid for their backup and started him for four ****ing years.

The list goes on. Even Trent Green was a piece of garbage that another team didn't want.

Irrational as it may seem, I don't want to deal with this shit again. We've been through so much bullshit in 7 or so seasons that this is what it has come down to. The fans are so battered and frustrated by QB games that what should normally be a positive acquisition would become another pie in the face.

I'll probably forget all about this if we sign Smith AND draft a QB at #1. But that doesn't mean it won't leave a shitty taste in my mouth initially.
I agree. I want to draft a QB #1 and have a shitty backup (Cassel esqe) that way when the young QB struggles I don't have to hear idiot Chiefs fans wanting the backup to play, which is what will happen if Alex Smith or Flynn is here.
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Why wouldnt you want Smith as a backup?
Because he's coming off a very good season where he was leading the NFL in completion and rating and if a rookie QB struggles, which they will, there is going to be that "quarterback controversy" thing that will rear it's ugly head.

Having that spector looming over your shoulder as a rookie QB in the NFL isn't the best way to develop confidence.

However, a guy like Campbell, who's taken a backup role the past couple of seasons, wouldn't present that "QB controversy" potential like a guy like Alex Smith would to the fans and the coaching staff.
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Yeah, he's definitely a qualified pro, no question about it... there simply isnt any excitement factor about him in most eyes.

The single most damning statement i've read on him, maybe ever, is yours...

"Alex Smith could make us the Houston Texans, for sure"

I dont want to top out at that, thats not the goal.
And in the NFL, your window is always closing faster than you think.

If Scott Pioli would've brought Alex Smith or Matt Schaub in 4 years ago, I think it would've been a very smart move. He could've worked on getting the team moving in the right direction with a competent, qualified signal caller. The offense could've built some cohesion and the core of young players we have could've matured into their primes....sometime around 2012. In the interim, he could've looked at Russell Wilson or even Kaepernick to take over when the team outruns the talent of Smith/Schaub.

Now, however, we have way too many of our best players right smack in the middle of their primes. This is a pretty awful time to be setting your ceiling at the Texans.

They need to take a HR swing here or risk losing out on the primes of some of the (no shit) best players to ever play their positions for this franchise.

I'd have loved to be able to step up to greatness because that's usually what it takes for young teams. My favorite line is one I stole from a hockey analogy - they have knock on the door before they can kick it in. That said, Pioli cost us that luxury by shitting himself for 4 years. We have to skip the stop-gap and go the high-risk, high-reward route.
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Smith is a nice QB. He's athletic, very smart, very accurate and has a nice feel for the game.

However, he doesn't have an arm that's going to allow him to go over the top of defenses with regularity.

He's most likely going to end up in Arizona as he's a west coast guy originally, but there is a possibility of him in Kansas City, New York Jets, Jacksonville, Oakland, San Diego (there's a lot of fans beginning to really get vocal about Rivers and his shitty attitude and inability to get anything done in the red zone year after year), Dallas (see Rivers), Cleveland or even Tampa Bay, where Freeman looks to have regressed but there is talent around him now.

Right now, I'd put Smith's list as:

1. Cardinals
2. Browns
3. Chiefs
4. Jaguars
5. Jets

Alex Smith is a major upgrade to anyone we have on the roster, but I'd much rather have Geno, sign Jason Campbell (who is a UFA that has nice skills, a good arm and experience in the league) and draft another guy in 2013 in the later rounds. As it stands, I think Campbell would be absolutely perfect in Reid's offense and is at the point of his career where he'd take that backup role to a guy like Geno.

In this day and age, you've got to have a guy who possesses the threat of taking the top off the defense. Geno has displayed that numerous times throughout his college career.
I liked Campbell as a possible Cassel replacement, but oddly enough, I don't care for him in a Reid system.

He's mobile, but he's not terribly accurate and he's prone to bouts of insane idiocy in his decision-making.

That said, the backup QB pool is pretty slim (because I don't see Alex coming here as a backup). I'd prefer someone like Moore if he shook loose, but we could do a hell of a lot worse than Campbell.
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And in the NFL, your window is always closing faster than you think.

If Scott ***** would've brought Alex Smith or Matt Schaub in 4 years ago, I think it would've been a very smart move. He could've worked on getting the team moving in the right direction with a competent, qualified signal caller. The offense could've built some cohesion and the core of young players we have could've matured into their primes....sometime around 2012. In the interim, he could've looked at Russell Wilson or even Kaepernick to take over when the team outruns the talent of Smith/Schaub.

Now, however, we have way too many of our best players right smack in the middle of their primes. This is a pretty awful time to be setting your ceiling at the Texans.

They need to take a HR swing here or risk losing out on the primes of some of the (no shit) best players to ever play their positions for this franchise.

I'd have loved to be able to step up to greatness because that's usually what it takes for young teams. My favorite line is one I stole from a hockey analogy - they have knock on the door before they can kick it in. That said, ***** cost us that luxury by shitting himself for 4 years. We have to skip the stop-gap and go the high-risk, high-reward route.
Yep, everything here is dead on.

Its time for a dinger swing.
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