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Old 01-28-2013, 06:36 PM  
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Teicher:New Chiefs assistant Toub’s goal is to win games on special teams

New Chiefs assistant Toub’s goal is to win games on special teams
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Dave Toub built his reputation in nine seasons with Chicago as one of the NFL’s best special-teams coaches in part because the Bears had kick returner Devin Hester and other players who were strong in the kicking game.

But there was more to Toub’s success, and he plans to bring that part of it to the Chiefs as their new special-teams coordinator.

“Our mentality when we were in Chicago was that we were going to win games on special teams,” Toub said Monday. “That’s something Lovie (Smith) instilled in us early on. We felt like we had the personnel to be able to do it, especially when we picked up Devin in ’06. But even before that, we kind of got that philosophy going and kind of instilled that into our guys that we were going to win games with field position. …

“That was our goal up there and I definitely think it made a big difference.”

The Chiefs haven’t returned a kick for a touchdown since Dexter McCluster brought back a punt for a score in the season-opening game in 2010. They’ve allowed four kicks to be returned for a touchdown since then.

Meanwhile, the Bears returned 22 kicks for touchdowns in Toub’s nine seasons while allowing just three scores in the kicking game.

“It’s got to be important to be on special teams,” Toub said. “They’ve got to feel privileged to be on special teams. We put a lot of emphasis on it and we create a competitive atmosphere out there to where if you’re a starter on special teams, you’ve really earned it.

“Then when you start scoring and you start blocking punts and you start blocking field goals and you actually win games for your team, it just kind of snowballs and grows for you.”

Chiefs punter Dustin Colquitt, who kicked in the Pro Bowl on Sunday in Honolulu, has a contract that is set to expire in March. But Colquitt said he’d like to work out a long-term contract with the Chiefs at least in part for the chance to work with Toub.

“I’d obviously love to work with Dave,” Colquitt said. “He’s got a great reputation, regarded as one of the best. It helps when you have veteran kickers and punters and a guy like Devin Hester. But we’ve watched them on film and the scheme is there. He’s got people buying in, making blocks, beating blocks, doing everything. That goes back to scheme more than anything. You’ve got to have the talent, the punter, the kicker, the return guy to make the first guy miss, but you can tell what he was able to do in Chicago was very special.

“I’m interested to see how that translates into Kansas City football.”

For his part, Toub returned the compliment.

“I like the punter,” Toub said. “I like him a lot. I never really had a punter than bombed the ball like this. He’s going to bomb the ball and give you good hang time and distance.”

The Chiefs have tried a variety of return specialists in recent seasons, including McCluster, Javier Arenas and Devon Wylie. McCluster scored the touchdown in his first NFL game but otherwise the Chiefs haven’t been able to get the game-changing return.

“We certainly have three guys we’re going to let battle it out with Arenas, Wiley and McCluster,” Toub said. “McCluster is somebody that’s very intriguing to me. He can really make you miss. I think he’s got a lot of untapped potential as a punt returner.”
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:18 PM   #31
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Connor Barth FTW, *****.
Connor Barth was 28 for 33 last season.

Ryan Succop was 28 for 34.

Huge difference.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:21 PM   #32
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Succop is crap.

And yes, he's lost several games since he was drafted.

Connor Barth FTW, *****.
Like what? We already disproved the Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Oakland losses in 2011
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:37 PM   #33
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Like what? We already disproved the Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Oakland losses in 2011
Oh geez.

I'll get back to you in the morning. Don't feel like digging.

Neg rep me if you want.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:38 PM   #34
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Connor Barth was 28 for 33 last season.

Ryan Succop was 28 for 34.

Huge difference.
I believe the game situations were different.

As I stated to SNR, I'll get back tomorrow. Too tired to research.

Donger need food.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:40 PM   #35
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The Succop arguments are just stupid.

You don't need an elite kicker to win a SB.

Last 5 SB winning kickers:

Lawrence Tynes
Mason Crosby
John Carney/Garrett Hartley
Jeff Reed
Lawrence Tynes

Only Reed had a significantly better kicking percentage than Succop the year he won the SB.

80 percent kicker is just fine. The only reason you might lose a SB with an 80 percent kicker is because your QB is a POS.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:41 PM   #36
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The Succop arguments are just stupid.

You don't need an elite kicker to win a SB.

Last 5 SB winning kickers:

Lawrence Tynes
Mason Crosby
John Carney/Garrett Hartley
Jeff Reed
Lawrence Tynes

Only Reed had a significantly better kicking percentage than Succop the year he won the SB.
Elite kicker? No.

Reliable under pressure? Yes.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:43 PM   #37
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Succop is fine for the most part. He just has a tendency to miss easy chipshots at times which can be really ****ing aggravating.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:52 PM   #38
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Elite kicker? No.

Reliable under pressure? Yes.
I can't think of a single pressure kick Succop has ever missed to be perfectly honest.

Succop nailed GW FGs against Pittsburgh (09), Buffalo (10) and San Diego (11) in his career.

He also made a 52-yard field goal against the Panthers last season that basically sealed a win late in the 4th.

And he's had at LEAST 4 games where the Chiefs only won because he made every kick in the game out of 4 or 5 attempts. Washington in 09, Minnesota and Green Bay in 2011, New Orleans in 2012.

He did miss a FG against the Steelers last year that would have given us a lead, but he also forced OT in that game with a late FG.

In pressure situations, he's done pretty well.

He is far from the kicker that shall go unnamed.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:15 PM   #39
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Which ones? I've never seen him lose a game for us.
He missed a couple this year that could have helped us win one or two more. I think the PIT game and another in KC. I considered them an addition to his resume, not a detraction. Dude was just taking one for the good of the team.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:17 PM   #40
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He missed a couple this year that could have helped us win one or two more.
Blaming the kicker in games where the QB was surely complete dogshit is so Chiefs fans.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:18 PM   #41
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Blaming the kicker in games where the QB was surely complete dogshit is so Chiefs fans.
The SD game was a hardcore choke job final play and missed the FG
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:20 PM   #42
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The SD game was a hardcore choke job final play and missed the FG
So blame the kicker when we lost the game by 18 points.

Interesting.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:22 PM   #43
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Blaming the kicker in games where the QB was surely complete dogshit is so Chiefs fans.
I don't blame Succop. He missed kicks. That's just reality, doesn't mean I hate him or blame him. He missed a couple timely kicks. I agree with your post from before. I am not out looking to remove him.

I think he missed a big one in PIT, and I also am pretty sure our QB was extra bad in that game as well. There is no doubt that the QB was SOC's biggest hero this year.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:27 PM   #44
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So blame the kicker when we lost the game by 18 points.

Interesting.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201112...ghts&tab=recap

correction it was the Raider Game
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:29 PM   #45
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That was a blocked kick. Please.
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