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Old 01-29-2013, 04:56 AM  
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DHS places and order for 7k select-fire rifles for personal defense

On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link)

Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder.

It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines.

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https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0


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Old 01-29-2013, 07:58 AM   #16
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:13 AM   #17
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It isn't the same firepower.

"Select Fire"

Look it up and get back to us when you are more educated on the subject.
I'm aware of what select fire means.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:48 AM   #18
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Why? Are you funcking serious?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:04 AM   #19
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Didn't exactly answer my question, did you.

Should every citizen should have the same access to the same firearms as DHS officials.
Yes....here's why

What is the DHS for? It's not to fight terrorism. Govt has gotten completely and utterly out of control. Al-Qaeda isn't going to go into your local Applebees and blow up the joint.

The ONLY reason for govt to pass gun control on its citizens is so there is no last-resort resistance for when everything goes to complete hell and the govt suspends the constitution and declares martial law.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:06 AM   #20
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Yes....here's why

What is the DHS for? It's not to fight terrorism. Govt has gotten completely and utterly out of control. Al-Qaeda isn't going to go into your local Applebees and blow up the joint.

The ONLY reason for govt to pass gun control on its citizens is so there is no last-resort resistance for when everything goes to complete hell and the govt suspends the constitution and declares martial law.
The INS (I refuse to call it ICE) and border security say hi.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:19 AM   #21
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Yes....here's why

What is the DHS for? It's not to fight terrorism. Govt has gotten completely and utterly out of control. Al-Qaeda isn't going to go into your local Applebees and blow up the joint.

The ONLY reason for govt to pass gun control on its citizens is so there is no last-resort resistance for when everything goes to complete hell and the govt suspends the constitution and declares martial law.
Ever heard of the Coast Guard, Secret Service, INS, Customs, Federal Protective Service?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:21 AM   #22
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:21 AM   #23
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Why? Are you funcking serious?
Yes. Why.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:39 AM   #24
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Yes. Why.
I tend to forget you think your life less important than some politician
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:40 AM   #25
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I tend to forget you think your life less important than some politician
*I* am just some douchenozzle in Missouri. Nobody gives a shit about me.

People that work the DHS can and do have legitimate targets on them. They are charged with keeping the peace, often against internal, domestic terrorist threats.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:41 AM   #26
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I tend to forget you think your life less important than some politician
More with the "you face the same threats as the president" nonsense, Pete?
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More with the "you face the same threats as the president" nonsense, Pete?
And why oh why do my two daughters get zero Secret Service protection?

Can you answer me that, Mr. President?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:49 AM   #28
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And why oh why do my two daughters get zero Secret Service protection?

Can you answer me that, Mr. President?
I care one hell of a lot more about my family than any DHS agent or even the president. You donít, thatís on you but goes a long way to explain your posts here.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:50 AM   #29
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And why oh why do my two daughters get zero Secret Service protection?

Can you answer me that, Mr. President?
Secret Service protection for everyone!!!

And, while we're at it, police state enforcement of every law 100% of the time!!
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I care one hell of a lot more about my family than any DHS agent or even the president. You donít, thatís on you but goes a long way to explain your posts here.
Should every citizen should have the same access to the same firearms as DHS officials?
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