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Old 01-29-2013, 04:56 AM  
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DHS places and order for 7k select-fire rifles for personal defense

On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link)

Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder.

It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines.

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Old 01-29-2013, 09:51 AM   #31
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I care one hell of a lot more about my family than any DHS agent or even the president. You don’t, that’s on you but goes a long way to explain your posts here.
So you need an automatic weapon to protect your family? Sounds like someone has shitty aim....
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:51 AM   #32
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Yes....here's why

What is the DHS for? It's not to fight terrorism. Govt has gotten completely and utterly out of control. Al-Qaeda isn't going to go into your local Applebees and blow up the joint.
That's a pretty stupid statement.

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The ONLY reason for govt to pass gun control on its citizens is so there is no last-resort resistance for when everything goes to complete hell and the govt suspends the constitution and declares martial law.
This is even stupider though.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:52 AM   #33
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So you need an automatic weapon to protect your family? Sounds like someone has shitty aim....
Never fired an automatic weapon before, have you?
Do you think one lines its sights up on the target automatically also?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:54 AM   #34
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Should every citizen should have the same access to the same firearms as DHS officials?
I can already have access to the same firearms the DHS has if Im willing to go through the expense and hassle of the licensing process.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:58 AM   #35
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Never fired an automatic weapon before, have you?
Possibly. Not sure whether my cousin's Type 56 was full or semi.

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Do you think one lines its sights up on the target automatically also?
Yeah, I've shot IDPA..... I know how target acquisition works.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:00 AM   #36
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See, I'm not terribly opposed to that.

If somebody has a demonstrated number of years (just to totally pull a number out of my ass, let's say 15 years, starting at 18 years of age) of abiding by the law, has to go through enough of a good degree of expense and a hard degree of extra licensing for the more serious firearms, and can accord to having the firearm and bullets purchased for it traced back to the purchaser, than I can see a way that these things can justify their existence in society.

That's a far cry from what some would prefer, which is simply being able to walk into a Walmart and walk out. But I think it'd be very sensible way of screening people out.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:13 AM   #37
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Ever heard of the Coast Guard, Secret Service, INS, Customs, Federal Protective Service?
The amt of ammo and guns that are being spent by the federal govt does open any eyes to any of you?

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Old 01-29-2013, 10:13 AM   #38
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Possibly. Not sure whether my cousin's Type 56 was full or semi.
Pretty sure if youd have fired it on full automatic youd remember it.
Spray and pray keeps the bad guys heads down but without some sort of solid mount to stabilize it hitting anything is more luck than skill.

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Yeah, I've shot IDPA..... I know how target acquisition works.
What distances were you shooting at?
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:24 AM   #39
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More with the "you face the same threats as the president" nonsense, Pete?
Does it matter if I face the same threats? Sorry if I value the lives of myself and my family just as much if not more than the President.
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*I* am just some douchenozzle in Missouri. Nobody gives a shit about me.

People that work the DHS can and do have legitimate targets on them. They are charged with keeping the peace, often against internal, domestic terrorist threats.
Remember that if God forbid someone should ever threaten you or your loved ones.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:24 AM   #41
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Does it matter if I face the same threats?
Absolutely.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:25 AM   #42
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Remember that if God forbid someone should ever threaten you or your loved ones.
The odds are basically ****ing zero that I will ever need a semiauto's firepower to pretect myself.
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Should every citizen should have the same access to the same firearms as DHS officials?
What does it matter? You act like if someone has the same thing as DHs they will automatically become a criminal and what not. You're a ****ing idiot whose entire argument is based on blaming an inanimate object for someone breaking the law.
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The odds are basically ****ing zero that I will ever need a semiauto's firepower to pretect myself.
the firepower of a semi-auto? You're a ****ing idiot. Just shutup now.
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Absolutely.
It may matter to you but then again you aren't the one who is going to defend me so I think I will decide the value of my life, thank you.
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