DHS places and order for 7k select-fire rifles for personal defense

[pr_capone]

On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link)

Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder.

It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines.

Link:

https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

A database on guns would actually point us to the small percentage of gun retailers that are derelict/negligent/criminal in their responsibility to sell guns to responsible citizens.

I disagree that forcing everyone to register their weapons in order to catch a small percentage of gun retailers is a good idea.

It reminds me of the argument on CP a while back about forcing everyone to have a voter ID in order to catch the small percentage of voter fraud. To inconvenience (and catalogue) the majority in order to stop something in the minority isn't right. I also sincerely doubt that any governing body with that kind of information would use that registration solely for it's intended purpose of catching bad sellers.

Another, and far less intrusive to the individual citizen, way of accomplishing that same goal would be to force FFLs to keep close inventory of all weapons and be subject to random audit by the ATF or whatever other governing body you want to put in charge of that.

[CoMoChief]

I guess the real question is...how to banning semi-autos make the American people safer?

It doesn't.

Time to move along knee jerk liberals.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

I disagree that forcing everyone to register their weapons in order to catch a small percentage of gun retailers is a good idea.

It reminds me of the argument on CP a while back about forcing everyone to have a voter ID in order to catch the small percentage of voter fraud. To inconvenience (and catalogue) the majority in order to stop something in the minority isn't right.

It is if the consequences warrant it.

In person voter fraud is so rare, prosecutable cases only happen dozens of times a decade. Not exactly the stuff that demands vigorous federal reform.

That's world's different from gun violence, which is ridiculously high in American compared to all of our western neighbors.

Originally Posted by pr_capone

Another, and far less intrusive to the individual citizen, way of accomplishing that same goal would be to force FFLs to keep close inventory of all weapons and be subject to random audit by the ATF or whatever other governing body you want to put in charge of that.

I support this measure. The problem is that the ATF has been effectively limited to checking in on FFLs once every ten years.

My preference is that this would happen regularly and frequently.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Just the idea that you need multiple semiautos on your bedside stand in the fear that multiple criminals armed-to-the-teeth storm your home looking for blood...

...seems right at home on Doomsday Preppers.

I wonder how the "Preppers" in NJ fared against hurricane Sandy vs. all the people we saw out in the street crying because the Fed Gov hadn't come and taken care of them?

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

It is if the consequences warrant it.

In person voter fraud is so rare, prosecutable cases only happen dozens of times a decade. Not exactly the stuff that demands vigorous federal reform.

That's world's different from gun violence, which is ridiculously high in American compared to all of our western neighbors.



I support this measure. The problem is that the ATF has been effectively limited to checking in on FFLs once every ten years.

My preference is that this would happen regularly and frequently.

Yep them outlaws are not obeying the law, we need to pass more laws and maybe they will follow those. ****OFF SERIOUSLY~

[notorious]

Are we going to need to start a "Gun Control Dipshit Tears are Delicious" Thread?

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

I disagree that forcing everyone to register their weapons in order to catch a small percentage of gun retailers is a good idea.

Historically, registration precedes gun confiscation.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Historically, registration precedes gun confiscation.

Well of course. You have to know who has them in order to take them, don't you?

[petegz28]

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well of course. You have to know who has them in order to take them, don't you?

Yup!

[petegz28]

[stonedstooge]

Hasn't there already been some gun control enacted? Try to buy rifle shells lately?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I wonder how the "Preppers" in NJ fared against hurricane Sandy vs. all the people we saw out in the street crying because the Fed Gov hadn't come and taken care of them?

What does that have to do with gun control, again?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by notorious

Are we going to need to start a "Gun Control Dipshit Tears are Delicious" Thread?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Hasn't there already been some gun control enacted?

Gun control is not a binary state. There's degrees of it.