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Old 01-28-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Alex Smith to ask for release

http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/28/al...?sct=obnetwork


If no draft picks are involved, does that change your opinion on bringing him in?

Draft pick, Smith, Stanzi(?) as your QB's in camp.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:52 AM   #451
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Except that your scenario is pretty much pure fantasy.
Possibly.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:52 AM   #452
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What have you done for me lately absolutely DOES apply.

People want to bring Alex Smith in here to "mentor" a draft pick and ultimately be a backup?

Well guess what? Recent NFL history suggests that's a complete fantasy. Recent Chiefs history is even more definitive.

If they bring in Smith, he WILL start. Bank on it.
Yep. If they bring him in, you can forget about a quarterback being drafted anywhere above the middle rounds. With Alex Smith, we won't be talking about Geno Smith anymore, or Tyler Wilson, or Matt Barkley, or even (thank god) Brock Glennon. We'll be talking - at best - about Landry Jones or Zac Dysert or Ryan Nassib (and this is assuming they aren't all overdrafted in the 2nd or 3rd), or more likely a late round flyer on somebody like Matt Scott. If they don't just eschew a draft pick altogether and stick with who we already have signed, whether that's Cassel or Stanzi or Tanney.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:55 AM   #453
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Bringing in Alex Smith is committing to mediocracy for the next 3+ years.

We've seen Alex's ceiling last year and that was with a team full of incredible talent and a great defense.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:59 AM   #454
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Again, the article says the Chiefs are one of the teams interested in Smith. Not me. It was the article.

The decision to aquire Alex Smith may need to be made before the draft, so if we do aquire Smith for a 4th or 5th, I am fine with it...

provided we still give due dilegence to Geno Smith. And if we deem that he is worthy of the #1 overall pick then you roll with it and draft Geno #1 as well.

Fantasy? Maybe. IMO, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:01 PM   #455
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didn't the 49ers offer Alex Smith a new deal just last spring when they whiffed on Manning?
They offered him a backup's contract and he refused to sign it until the rest of the NFL basically turned him down.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:01 PM   #456
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Again, the article says the Chiefs are one of the teams interested in Smith. Not me. It was the article.

The decision to aquire Alex Smith may need to be made before the draft, so if we do aquire Smith for a 4th or 5th, I am fine with it...

provided we still give due dilegence to Geno Smith. And if we deem that he is worthy of the #1 overall pick then you roll with it and draft Geno #1 as well.

Fantasy? Maybe. IMO, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
There is no chance in hell Smith will agree to go to KC unless he had some sort of guarantee they wouldn't be taking a QB #1 overall.

And it's not a matter of him being afraid to compete, it's about being smart and not minimizing his chance to start. Chiefs fans are drastically overrating their franchise if they think he would be happy going from a backup QB to a Super Bowl contender, to a backup QB on a team drafting #1 overall.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:03 PM   #457
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Again, the article says the Chiefs are one of the teams interested in Smith. Not me. It was the article.
That's just media speculation.

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The decision to aquire Alex Smith may need to be made before the draft, so if we do aquire Smith for a 4th or 5th, I am fine with it...

provided we still give due dilegence to Geno Smith. And if we deem that he is worthy of the #1 overall pick then you roll with it and draft Geno #1 as well.

Fantasy? Maybe. IMO, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
It doesn't HAVE to be one or the other.

But it WILL be.

We're talking about the NFL and specifically about the Chiefs.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:07 PM   #458
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Matt Cassel took a team(that the year before went 16-0 and lost the super bowl) to a 11-5 record. They became the only team to go 11-5 and not qualify for the playoffs. Cassel didn't get the chance to win/lose in the playoff with a damn fine team.

Alex Smith's 2011 team went 13-3 and won one playoff game(after a first round bye). A first year starting QB in only his second year in the league. Took that team the next year to 13-3 and won two playoff games(after a first round bye) to the super bowl.

Too close for comfort for me.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:07 PM   #459
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That's just media speculation.
I know. Just felt it was worthy of been mentioned in this thread.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #460
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Again, the article says the Chiefs are one of the teams interested in Smith. Not me. It was the article.

The decision to aquire Alex Smith may need to be made before the draft, so if we do aquire Smith for a 4th or 5th, I am fine with it...

provided we still give due dilegence to Geno Smith. And if we deem that he is worthy of the #1 overall pick then you roll with it and draft Geno #1 as well.

Fantasy? Maybe. IMO, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
i'm pretty sure Alex Smith is going to be a Chief next season
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:18 PM   #461
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I know. Just felt it was worthy of been mentioned in this thread.
To be fair, a considerable amount of media speculation is just an effort to get readers.

They talk about Alex Smith going to the Chiefs because most Chiefs fans lap it up like antifreeze...
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:27 PM   #462
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Heres the thing for me:

Im trying to stay grounded in reality. According to people who do the gig for a living, there is no For sure Bet Qb in the draft. Im all for Smith or Wilson as our pick and I will be severly dissappointed if we dont draft one fo those two guys. Having said that, we also need a veteran QB on staff. There is no "Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees guy available. Therefore, we are going to get a guy that will not be the second coming of Montana. Therefore, Smith is a huge possiblity, whether we like it or not. So, Im trying to see the other side of it, look at his positives, so I dont hang myself the day it haappens.

Now, if we sign Campbell, draft Smith or Wilson and one of those guys starts day one and shows us a real football season, Ill be stoked. But, Im mentally preparing for something a little elss than that, becuase with the QBS out there, that may be the case. Thats not a Chiefs fan mentality, it just seems like a bad year for Qbs, draft and FA wise.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:38 PM   #463
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Heres the thing for me:

Im trying to stay grounded in reality. According to people who do the gig for a living, there is no For sure Bet Qb in the draft. Im all for Smith or Wilson as our pick and I will be severly dissappointed if we dont draft one fo those two guys. Having said that, we also need a veteran QB on staff. There is no "Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees guy available. Therefore, we are going to get a guy that will not be the second coming of Montana. Therefore, Smith is a huge possiblity, whether we like it or not. So, Im trying to see the other side of it, look at his positives, so I dont hang myself the day it haappens.

Now, if we sign Campbell, draft Smith or Wilson and one of those guys starts day one and shows us a real football season, Ill be stoked. But, Im mentally preparing for something a little elss than that, becuase with the QBS out there, that may be the case. Thats not a Chiefs fan mentality, it just seems like a bad year for Qbs, draft and FA wise.
The thing is, you're omitting a 3rd, and really most probable, outcome.

Alex Smith is a STARTER, he's not a backup. If he's going to come here, he's going to START.

You're right, he's not Brees or Brady. He's QB purgatory.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:38 PM   #464
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Nick Foles with his 2012 3rd round salary makes more sense to me than Alex Smith.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:40 PM   #465
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The thing is, you're omitting a 3rd, and really most probable, outcome.

Alex Smith is a STARTER, he's not a backup. If he's going to come here, he's going to START.

You're right, he's not Brees or Brady. He's QB purgatory.
Well hes a starter if he hits FA, and then like Toooge pointed out, thats not necesarily gauranteed. If hes traded, he is whatever the team says he is.
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