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Old 02-03-2012, 09:27 PM  
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:08 PM   #76
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It doesn't matter whether listo takes full advantage or not. The point is that he doesn't have that option.
Why doesn't he have the option of a Roth IRA?
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:28 PM   #77
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Yes it is true. If you put the $5500 each year into a Roth IRA for 40 years, you will have a nice little nest egg when you retire that isn't taxed. That doesn't take into account any additional savings you do on your own or employer savings.

Everyone has that option. Most people choose not to. Whose fault is that?
You're limited on how much you can put into an IRA. Therefore, it's not true that you can "still do all of that, even with an income tax".
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Old 02-03-2013, 03:11 PM   #78
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You're limited on how much you can put into an IRA. Therefore, it's not true that you can "still do all of that, even with an income tax".
So because you can only put $5500 free from tax into an IRA, you can't save a nest egg that isn't taxed after you withdraw it? Listopencil said the income tax prevents him from saving. Here's a method of saving that is actually promoted by the current tax laws. You haven't said anything that has supported his claim.
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:07 PM   #79
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:14 PM   #80
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So because you can only put $5500 free from tax into an IRA, you can't save a nest egg that isn't taxed after you withdraw it? Listopencil said the income tax prevents him from saving. Here's a method of saving that is actually promoted by the current tax laws. You haven't said anything that has supported his claim.
The income tax limits your ability to defer taxes by saving. The consumption tax doesn't. It's as simple as that. If you thought listo was saying something for which your response was accurate, you misread him.
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:44 PM   #81
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The income tax limits your ability to defer taxes by saving. The consumption tax doesn't. It's as simple as that. If you thought listo was saying something for which your response was accurate, you misread him.
Can you build up a nest egg by saving, even with an income tax?
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:13 PM   #82
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The income tax limits your ability to defer taxes by saving. The consumption tax doesn't. It's as simple as that. If you thought listo was saying something for which your response was accurate, you misread him.
Yes, this is exactly what I was pointing out.
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:16 PM   #83
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Yes, this is exactly what I was pointing out.
Nothing about responsible people saving up a nest egg, which you apparently can't do with an income tax?
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:20 PM   #84
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Nothing about responsible people saving up a nest egg, which you apparently can't do with an income tax?
Do you not understand the idea of a consumption tax as opposed to an income tax?
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Can you build up a nest egg by saving, even with an income tax?
Not to the same extent that you can with a consumption tax, but sure, you can build up "a nest egg" no matter what tax system you have.
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Do you not understand the idea of a consumption tax as opposed to an income tax?
Are you dodging my question?
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Are you dodging my question?
No, I'm wondering if you understand the difference.
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Not to the same extent that you can with a consumption tax, but sure, you can build up "a nest egg" no matter what tax system you have.
So, when I said that you can build up a nest egg and save money, even with an income tax, now you agree that that was correct?
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No, I'm wondering if you understand the difference.
I think so, but you can explain it to me in your own words if you want.
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So, when I said that you can build up a nest egg and save money, even with an income tax, now you agree that that was correct?
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We can still do all of that, even with an income tax.
you were wrong.
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