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Old 10-07-2007, 10:13 PM  
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:25 AM   #8926
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Ruin?
Yes...ruin. The constant whining of being cheated out of the title...it's getting old.

I'd rather see more of the old Austin mentality, I don't get mad or whine, I just get even.

Now i will say the Jericho/Punk match was one of the best in a while. The real fun would be seeing a 3-way match between Jericho, Bryan and Punk.

And again....is Brock Lesner nothing more than Goldberg revisited?
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:04 PM   #8927
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Yes...ruin. The constant whining of being cheated out of the title...it's getting old.
Unfortunately, that's just WWE style these days. If you're a heel, you have to be a coward. It's very restrictive. But I think Punk works within the WWE heel style remarkably well and is able to do fresh things in it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:19 PM   #8928
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Are they ever gonna go back to an attitude type era?

Is Linda McMahon done campaigning and running for public office?

There is so much gay about the WWE these days its unwatchable. Current stars bitching about Attitude era stars coming back and stealing the spotlight. There isn't one person other than Cena that you can consider a "larger than life" type of character. And Cena is a douchebag...but the WWE has no other choice than to ride his coat tails and see what happens. CM Punk would be in a dark match before the TV cameras started rolling if this was back in the attitude era.

There is simply zero star power in wrestling these days.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:19 PM   #8929
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Unfortunately, that's just WWE style these days. If you're a heel, you have to be a coward. It's very restrictive. But I think Punk works within the WWE heel style remarkably well and is able to do fresh things in it.
If you want to stay a heel you have to be a chickenshit. WWE fans have loved badass heels for the last 15+ years.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:24 PM   #8930
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Are they ever gonna go back to an attitude type era?

Is Linda McMahon done campaigning and running for public office?

There is so much gay about the WWE these days its unwatchable. Current stars bitching about Attitude era stars coming back and stealing the spotlight. There isn't one person other than Cena that you can consider a "larger than life" type of character. And Cena is a douchebag...but the WWE has no other choice than to ride his coat tails and see what happens. CM Punk would be in a dark match before the TV cameras started rolling if this was back in the attitude era.

There is simply zero star power in wrestling these days.
You might have to come to grips with the fact that there aren't enough of you to make a sizable audience for Vince and co. The attitude era was supported largely by teen and young adult males--the same individuals who are now the UFC's largest demographic. With all of the information out there about CTE and brain trauma, plus Benoit, it doesn't make legal sense to go back to a hardcore style with chair shots to the head, gratuitous bumps, et. al. Given that, you have to target a receptive audience. For WWE, that means kids, which means you need to alter the nature of your programming.

If the choice is between 10 guys like you and 20 Cena-loving kids, a publicly traded company is choosing the latter. If the choice is between 20 guys like you and 20 Cena-loving kids, in the current medical and legal environment, the company is still choosing the latter.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:27 PM   #8931
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I love what Punk's doing. The idea of calling himself the champion, including the streak of days, and allowing the Rock to have a rematch is actually pretty fresh. He's not whining about being screwed, he's saying he never lost in the first place, and he's going to get his "physical" belt back at EC.

It may be too subtle for some of the Raw audience, however. He's doing a great job at getting himself booed though, although he has to insult the audience more and more to do it, which is only going to get him over more with the smarks. He's going to have a huge reaction at mania, which tends to be one of the more hardcore crowds of the year. I just hope it's in a high profile match, and not halfway down the card. I don't have any ideo who they'll have him work with, or how they'll keep his heat after he inevitably loses to the Rock clean again at the PPV.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:35 PM   #8932
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:57 PM   #8933
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Are they ever gonna go back to an attitude type era?

Is Linda McMahon done campaigning and running for public office?

There is so much gay about the WWE these days its unwatchable. Current stars bitching about Attitude era stars coming back and stealing the spotlight. There isn't one person other than Cena that you can consider a "larger than life" type of character. And Cena is a douchebag...but the WWE has no other choice than to ride his coat tails and see what happens. CM Punk would be in a dark match before the TV cameras started rolling if this was back in the attitude era.

There is simply zero star power in wrestling these days.
not really

CM Punk would have a belt in the Attitude Era, that Era had more than TWO BELTS THAT MEANT SOMETHING.

Some of the best matches of the Attitude Era are with the IC, Hardcore and Tag Team titles. It's not even close. Punk would have had one if not all.

Mid cards in the attitude era were just as big as the main eventers today
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #8934
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not really

CM Punk would have a belt in the Attitude Era, that Era had more than TWO BELTS THAT MEANT SOMETHING.

Some of the best matches of the Attitude Era are with the IC, Hardcore and Tag Team titles. It's not even close. Punk would have had one if not all.

Mid cards in the attitude era were just as big as the main eventers today
Don't forget the European title. In the beginning, that was a fairly important belt. Over time, it becamse useless like the hardcore title.

Back in the 80's, the IC belt had many more good matches in retrospect. The world title always had plodding affairs with the Hulkster (which I loved, btw). But the IC title gave us classics like the Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels ladder match and Macho Man vs. Ricky Steamboat.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:56 PM   #8935
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The good old days back when those mid-card titles were actual springboards into the main event scene, and treated like they mattered. Unfortunately none of the belts matter now, even the world titles. Competition has totally taken a backseat to (bad) storylines.

Part of the reason, again, I love what Punk's doing. He's the first guy who in a long time acts like a title actually matters. Of course in Huntor's world, only a heel would care. Babyfaces all laugh off losing.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:04 PM   #8936
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You guys have a different memory of history than I do. The belts were turned to garbage in the Attitude Era because they hotshotted them from person to person for quick ratings bumps. It was the absolute worst thing about that era: it devalued championships. The IC title was disgraced by going on fools like Chyna; Shane McMahon was the Euro Champion (ironically, the Fingerpoke of Doom originated w/ the Euro Title, not on Nitro) and Mr. McMahon the WWF Champion for a short run. It wasn't Arquette-level bad, but it damaged the prestige of the belts.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:06 PM   #8937
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I think we were both talking about the 80s, not the attitude era. Although I guess the Shawn/Razor one was '94 (still pre-attitude, technically, I think).
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:08 PM   #8938
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I think we were both talking about the 80s, not the attitude era.
Was responding to mca or whomever. Apologies for broad brushiness.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:12 PM   #8939
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i was responding to the guy saying Punk wouldnt be relevant in the ATTITUDE ERA

I know the 80s and early 90s was better, but he was talking specifically putting Punk in a time machine to the late 90s early 00s and that Punk would be able to hold a belt

I was simply saying Punk would easily be a Hardcore, IC, Euro (thanks whoever plugged this one) champ and it would be equal to todays main event belts
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:26 PM   #8940
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I, too really got into the WWE attitude era.

I always enjoyed the ECW brand too.

Now, I may watch a Punk promo and that's about it.
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