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Cap casualty season: Here are some likely big-name victims

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Michael Vick, Eagles ($15.5 million): He won't be making that kind of money, but something around $10 million isn't out of the question. The Eagles want to keep him at the right price, and I'd expect the Jaguars, Cardinals and Browns to also have interest if he hits the market or is trade bait.

Carson Palmer, Raiders ($13 million base salary): There is no way Oakland is going to pay him that kind of money to stay, sources said, and Palmer will have to decide how much cash he's willing to walk away from to stay.

Kevin Kolb, Cardinals ($9 million salary, plus $2 million roster bonus): He won't make that kind of money to stay, and I can't imagine Kolb getting the roster bonus, though if he's willing to settle for more like $5 million there could still be an opportunity for him in Arizona.

Alex Smith, 49ers ($7.5 million base salary plus $1 million roster bonus): The 49ers are talking tough about keeping him, but no one is buying that. He deserves a chance to start somewhere and will get that whether via trade -- most likely -- or by being cut before his roster bonus is due next month. Kansas City could be a landing spot.

Matt Cassel, Chiefs ($7.5 million): League sources said there is almost no chance he remains in Kansas City. The fans have turned on him, and it's time for a change.

Matt Hasselbeck, Titans ($5.5 million): He has been a great mentor to Jake Locker, but now it's time for the kid to sink or swim, and the Titans need to invest in weapons around him. With so many teams needy at quarterback, Hasselbeck could get a starting opportunity elsewhere if he is released.

Matt Flynn, Seahawks ($5.25 million): The Seahawks want to deal him, and the Jets are one possibility.

Offensive line

Doug Free, Cowboys ($7 million): Given the offensive line issues there and some of Free's struggles, and the fact the Cowboys are going to be missing $18 million in cap space from the sanctions against them put in place a year ago, this looks like the end.

Willie Colon, Steelers ($5.5 million): Played like a stud when moved inside to guard, but continues to suffer season-ending injuries and Pittsburgh is transitioning to a younger line.

Jared Gaither, Chargers ($4.5 million): Teams and teammates have questioned his desire to play in the past. His back is a constant issue and he has become a source of hostility in San Diego as a free-agent bust. I'd be shocked if he stays.

Steve Hutchinson, Vikings ($4.75 million base plus $500,000 roster bonus): Age catches up to everyone and the Vikings have some young free-agent linemen they need to retain. They know Percy Harvin needs a new deal, especially until they get Allen's contract resolved, cap space will be at a premium.

Wide receiver/Tight end

Darius Heyward-Bey, Raiders ($7.7 million): He flashed progress in 2011 but had another lost year in 2012. The Raiders are again in a roster/cap crunch and are still trying to get out from under bad contracts. I can't fathom him making this to stay.

Anquan Boldin, Ravens ($6 million): With Joe Flacco about to get paid, Baltimore's cap issues are only going to escalate. Boldin was so good in the playoffs, I have to figure they rework his deal to keep him.

Jermichael Finley, Packers ($4.4 million base plus $3 million roster bonus): At some point Aaron Rodgers is going to get a contract in line with how exceptional he is. Finley has proven to be a controversial figure and this team finds pass catchers in all regions of the draft. League sources expect Finley to be elsewhere.

Marcedes Lewis, Jaguars ($4.35 million): He has been woefully unproductive since the Jags extended him a few years back. Certainly the poor quarterback play has something to do with it, but with new ownership and a new management team in place, Lewis' future is in doubt.

Jacoby Jones, Ravens ($3 million): He was a special-teams star all season and a star on offense in the postseason. Again, the Ravens are in a cap bind and have a slew of free agents, but I have to think they find a way to keep him around. He was a major factor in a series of vital victories last season.

Running Back

Michael Turner, Falcons ($5.5 million): He is slowing down and this team will be looking for new ways to get deeper into the postseason. Could be a financial recalibration in order with teams wary to pay big bucks to older running backs these days.

De'Angelo Williams, Panthers ($4.75 million): Carolina is paying too many running backs and Williams has slipped in recent years. The cap hit would be significant, although it could be spread out over multiple years. Exploring a trade would make the most sense.

Kicker

David Akers, 49ers ($3 million): It would be shocking if he is back after such a shaky season and with expectations so high for the 49ers. Nearly lost his job in the postseason.

Defensive Line

Tyson Jackson, Chiefs ($14.72 million): He has been another recent defensive line draft bust for this team and his deal was restructured to force a conclusion in 2013. That conclusion will be his departure.

Will Smith, Saints ($9 million plus $1 million roster bonus): The Saints still badly need pass rushing help, but not at this price. After all he has been through in New Orleans -- StarCaps and BountyGate -- he may want to finish his career with the Saints, but it won't be at this price.

Chris Canty, Giants ($6.25 million): He makes another $250,000 in workout bonuses and he has durability issues in the past. The Giants' defensive line is coming off a poor season and there will be changes coming.

Ryan Pickett, Packers ($5.4 million): He has been one of the most underrated tackles in the league but now has over 11 years in the league. With B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews among those who need to get paid by the Packers, and with this such a small-market team, exploring a restructuring here makes sense.

Jay Ratliff, owboys ($5 million): His offseason DUI -- a particular problem in Dallas recently -- and a scheme shift on defense could lead to a change here. Ratliff has not been as productive in the past few years.

Linebacker

Bart Scott, Jets ($6.9 million base/$8.7 million cap hit): The Jets have a cap mess and there aren't too many deals they can drop to create space. This is one, and sources said Scott won't be back at this price.

James Harrison, Steelers ($6.6 million): It wasn't that long ago that he was a defensive MVP, but age and injury have slowed him. The Steelers are paying other, younger linebackers big bucks and sources said the Steelers do not expect to bring him back at this salary. Many doubt Harrison would take a cut to stay without at least exploring outside options. Calvin Pace, Jets ($5.8 million base/$11.6 cap): He too will be released, sources said, although the Jets will make a strong effort to re-sign him at a lower rate.

Rolando McClain, Raiders ($4 million): He has been nothing but trouble off field, was basically sent home for the final quarter of last season and I would expect the Raiders to look to recoup some signing bonus as well when they officially part with him.

Defensive Back

Champ Bailey, Broncos ($9 million plus $1 million roster bonus): Bailey had a brutal time of it in the postseason, the Broncos have emerging young corners and owner Pat Bowlen has had them operating on a tight budget. Charles Woodson, Packers ($8.5 million plus $2.5 million roster bonus) : Another one of the great corners of his generation, but injuries have limited him, he is getting older, and the Packers often have to take a hard-line stance given their financial limitations.

Dunta Robinson, Falcons ($8 million): Was signed to be an elite corner a few years back in free agency but has been outshined by others. The Falcons have needs to fill and their cap situation will only get tighter when Matt Ryan gets paid.

Eric Wright, Buccaneers ($7.7 million): After a breakthrough 2011 in Detroit, Wright struggled on and off the field in 2012. Tampa Bay badly needs help at corner, but given his recent struggles I have a hard time seeing him back at this steep a price.



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Old 02-06-2013, 01:56 AM   #76
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"our guy" isn't in this draft. He was in last years' draft. There is no guarantee that any of these QBs in this draft will even make for solid starters. So far we've got a plethora of career backups.
You try your best and if it doesn't work out, you move on. Alex Smith and Matt Hasselbeck are not the answer, everybody knows this.
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Is Geno Smith Russell Wilson caliber? Joe Flacco caliber? Matt Ryan caliber? All those guys started their first pro games.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:06 AM   #78
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This fan base doesn't have the patience to let a raw QB start week one. You morons would turn before the season is over no matter how much you try to deny it now. Haurbah knows QB's, he still started Smith over his guy to develop him and get him ready. Reid started our OC over his QB McNabb. It's just how it works. If you throw a raw QB out there he will fail. Luckily Reid knows more about this than you, and is signing a QB no matter what.

If you just give the keys to a rookie they likely aren't going to give it their all to be the best they possibly can be because they ready have the job. There is a reason our OC and QB coach have previously worked with Reid, a d that our franchise QB will have friendly competition/mentoring from a QB who also knows the offense. You do everything possible to set up success for the QB, especially when there's no Luck in this draft.
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He only took the Niners to the NFC championship last year...yeah..he sucks!!!
Then became a FA and no one pursued him....
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Is Geno Smith Russell Wilson caliber? Joe Flacco caliber? Matt Ryan caliber? All those guys started their first pro games.
No. He's way more raw than those guys.
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Is Geno Smith Andy Dalton caliber? Ryan Tannehill caliber?

You want me to name more qbs that started right out of the gate? Stop living in the 80s, the game has changed. Adapt or die.
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You don't need a washed up has been if you have your guy. Why bench the future?
This team needs 2 (realistically 3) new QBs. Hasselbeck is a guy with playoff/Superbowl experience, a relationship with the HC, and is too old to be a legit threat long term at the position. Perfect mentor for a rookie qbotf.
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No. He's way more raw than those guys.
That means he needs to play. Play him. I don't care if we go 1 and 15. What was Peyton Mannings rookie season record again?
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How about you start naming new WCO teams that didn't sign a veteran WCO QB to get things started.
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This team needs 2 (realistically 3) new QBs. Hasselbeck is a guy with playoff/Superbowl experience, a relationship with the HC, and is too old to be a legit threat long term at the position. Perfect mentor for a rookie qbotf.
Fine he can hold a clip board. Hire him as a coach. But if he gets more snaps than the new guy what a waste.
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How about you start naming new WCO teams that didn't sign a veteran WCO QB to get things started.
So your saying they will sign and start a veteran qb, not because it is the right thing to do, but because they're idiots.
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We're going to be in for a long season no matter what. This franchise isn't going to get fixed overnight. Don't make it harder than it has to be
We are one position away from being a competitor in this division, that much is true. If Alex Smith could play to the caliber here under Reid that he played under Harbaugh, we'd be divisional champs year in and year out. That's how close this team is, in all actuality. And I don't even think Smith is that great of a QB. But he sure as **** is better than Cassel, and his play over the last two years has been fantastic.

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You try your best and if it doesn't work out, you move on. Alex Smith and Matt Hasselbeck are not the answer, everybody knows this.
If everybody knew this, KC wouldn't be the frontrunner for the Alex Smith landing site. The only thing that will stop him from landing here, is if he is absolutely deadset on being the starter and not having to "compete" for the job against a first or second round draft pick.

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Is Geno Smith Russell Wilson caliber? Joe Flacco caliber? Matt Ryan caliber? All those guys started their first pro games.
Nothing bothers me more than hearing people talk about Russell Wilson like he's some kind of god. Lets let the kid play a bit more and see if he ends up being as good as he played down the stretch. Andrew Luck did more with a much shittier team, and Russel did it on a very, very talented roster with great coaching and a very soft division.


As for the rest of your quote, nobody will know until it happens, but all signs seem to be pointing at the entirety of this draft class needing time to develop and grow into capable starters. There are a few exceptions to this rule, such as Tyler Wilson, and perhaps Glennon/Nassib, though neither of those two have shown anything since the resolution of their seasons to even write him about.

I think Geno has a very good toolset to work with, but I believe that is going to take some time and patience to develop and cultivate here in Kansas City.

I foresee this playing out like Vince Young in his rookie season. He didn't start immediately, but there were no doubts in that organization that he would eventually start. The only question was "when".

To be honest, Geno has a few question marks, but to counter them, he has some very good positive marks to speak of. What makes this case better for him, is that those positive marks fit very well into a WCO, and very well into an Andy Reid WCO. In my opinion, we are going to need a veteran QB to come in here and start a few games to get the season rolling while we get Geno on track, after that, his job is to be ready in case Geno goes down, and keep this team functioning, unlike QBs of the past for us, save for Damon Huard.
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I don't disagree. To me the ideal scenario lets them battle to start week 1, with a schedule to get the rookie on the field by midseason if he doesn't win the job outright.

The only catch is your coach has to have the balls to yank the vet even if the season is going well, ala Alex Smith vs Kaepernick.
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So your saying they will sign and start a veteran qb, not because it is the right thing to do, but because they're idiots.
The only idiot in this is you. And you're the one assuming a veteran would beat out our rookie.
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Please stop with Alex Smith.

This will be his 3rd consecutive year as a free agent. NFL starter caliber QBs don't do that.
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