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Old 02-06-2013, 06:54 AM  
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The U.S. Postal Service plans to announce Wednesday that it will end Saturday mail delivery, in one of the most significant steps taken to date to cut costs at the struggling agency.

A source familiar with the decision confirmed the plan to Fox News.

Under the proposal, the Postal Service will continue to deliver packages six days a week. The plan, which is aimed at saving about $2 billion, would start to take effect in August.

The move accentuates one of the agency's strong points -- package delivery has increased by 14 percent since 2010, officials say, while the delivery of letters and other mail has declined with the increasing use of email and other Internet use.

Under the new plan, mail would still be delivered to post office boxes on Saturdays. Post offices now open on Saturdays would remain open on Saturdays.

Over the past several years, the Postal Service has advocated shifting to a five-day delivery schedule for mail and packages -- and it repeatedly but unsuccessfully appealed to Congress to approve the move. Though an independent agency, the service gets no tax dollars for its day-to-day operations but is subject to congressional control.

It was not immediately clear how the service could eliminate Saturday mail without congressional approval.

But the agency clearly thinks it has a majority of the American public on its side regarding the change.

Material prepared for the Wednesday press conference by Patrick R. Donahoe, postmaster general and CEO, says Postal Service market research and other research has indicated that nearly 7 in 10 Americans support the switch to five-day delivery as a way for the Postal Service to reduce costs
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:44 AM   #91
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While how it's run is often dictated by congress, the USPS does not use government funds. It is self-sufficient (correct term?).

You think you're going to be able to send a simple document through UPS or FedEx for 46 cents? Also, it's an overall pain in the ass. If you privatize, they will just have to hire more people to handle the volume, pay for more gas to go into more vehicles, pay for more health insurance, etc. You think their rates will go down or stay the same? I know there are FedEx and UPS workers who post on this site. I'm not putting them down or placing letter carriers above them. I'm just saying that privatizing is not the way to go.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:59 AM   #92
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It's a matter of Congress (not sure what it would be called...a bill, a decree (lol), I don't think it's law) that the mail is delivered six days per week. It would be a work of Congress to change it to five. If they're actually going to do something, why don't they considered the petitions made by the NALC to recalculate how much prepayment goes into the employee benefit program. The numbers are based on 2006 employment, which is much higher than it is now. Why don't they accept the offer of employees paying for 3% more of their health insurance (sounds small but would be huge overall)? The Postmaster General is trying to create a loophole in the six day delivery by saying that packages will still be delivered on Saturdays, thus something is being delivered six days per week.

I asked my dad how this would affect him and the post office in general. He's retiring 2/28/14. He's eligible to retire in October, but he likes delivering through the holidays. Anyway, he said they would probably offer to pay him to retire early. There are a few thorns he would have to deal with due to retiring before October, but he would do it if it meant saving someone with less seniority's job. What? Saving a job? Yeah, he predicts about 50,000 jobs will be lost nationwide due to this. So, which are you going to bitch about now, the unemployment rate or people applying for unemployment benefits?

On a personal note. I work in the legal field. It's going to suck ass to not have Saturday delivery. Not that anyone is in the office to receive the mail on Saturday, but it's nice to put something in the mail before leaving Friday knowing it will get picked up Saturday, thus cutting two days off the time it will take to get there (if I would have to wait until Monday to mail it).
The loss of government jobs should never be a good argument against improving government efficiency or reducing unnecessary cost.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:11 AM   #93
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The loss of government jobs should never be a good argument against improving government efficiency or reducing unnecessary cost.
You seem to have missed the part where alternatives have been suggested.

In my book, a job is a job, regardless of who your employer is. If there are things being suggested that could help prevent me from getting fired, I'd be pissed if they weren't being considered.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:32 AM   #94
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You seem to have missed the part where alternatives have been suggested.

In my book, a job is a job, regardless of who your employer is. If there are things being suggested that could help prevent me from getting fired, I'd be pissed if they weren't being considered.
No, I didn't miss that. You're not the first person around here to worry about buggy whip jobs being lost. At some point, jobs in both the public and private sector need to evolve away from obsolete tasks of the past toward useful tasks of the future.

If a private company wants to continue to employ buggy whip makers, I'm not going to complain as much because that's up to the owners of that company. When it happens in government, it becomes my (and every other citizen's) business.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:53 PM   #95
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No, I didn't miss that. You're not the first person around here to worry about buggy whip jobs being lost. At some point, jobs in both the public and private sector need to evolve away from obsolete tasks of the past toward useful tasks of the future.

If a private company wants to continue to employ buggy whip makers, I'm not going to complain as much because that's up to the owners of that company. When it happens in government, it becomes my (and every other citizen's) business.
The post office is not obsolete. People still use it. They do not use taxpayer dollars. If you don't want to give the post office money, don't use them. The only way they get your money is when you pay for their services.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:08 PM   #96
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The loss of government jobs should never be a good argument against improving government efficiency or reducing unnecessary cost.
Question is, how many jobs are slashed and how many are cuts in pay? Would we have to pay massive retirement benefits or severance? Given protections, cutting a full day of work can reduce payroll and operating expenses, but it could be costly in terms of compensation employees for cutting back their salary.
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The post office is not obsolete. People still use it. They do not use taxpayer dollars. If you don't want to give the post office money, don't use them. The only way they get your money is when you pay for their services.


I agree the post office is not obsolete, though we don't need it as much as we used to. Taxpayers may not pay for the usps but we do have to help them cover their massive losses.
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I agree the post office is not obsolete, though we don't need it as much as we used to. Taxpayers may not pay for the usps but we do have to help them cover their massive losses.
And they have offered alternative solutions for that.
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Even with cutting off Saturday delivery, they are still paying into a program based upon employment numbers from 2006. After 50,000 people lose their jobs, that same amount will continue to be spent until Congress decides to do something. Why is slashing jobs the first step? And why continue to pay the same amount whenever there are already thousands upon thousands of less people to cover? It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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yep...the idea is old, antiquated, outdated. Change or die.
SO your change would be?
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SO your change would be?
Privatize it. Alot of the 50K that lose their jobs could be hired back by the private company.


I dont believe in this thinking of "Whatever is in government, should forever be"
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The post office is not obsolete. People still use it. They do not use taxpayer dollars. If you don't want to give the post office money, don't use them. The only way they get your money is when you pay for their services.
Somebody at the Post Office thinks that Saturday delivery is obsolete and there is zero rebuttal value in the argument that jobs will be lost.
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And they have offered alternative solutions for that.
I'm not so sure that they have. Certainly the proposal to lessen funding for the pension made by the union should be viewed with skepticism. I'm not saying it isn't reasonable, but I am saying that I'm not buying it at face value.
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I'm not so sure that they have. Certainly the proposal to lessen funding for the pension made by the union should be viewed with skepticism. I'm not saying it isn't reasonable, but I am saying that I'm not buying it at face value.
Have you read it?
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Somebody at the Post Office thinks that Saturday delivery is obsolete and there is zero rebuttal value in the argument that jobs will be lost.
What if you worked for the post office? Oh, you don't, so it's not a problem.
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