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View Poll Results: Would you support the proposed legislation in the OP?
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:24 AM  
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Gun thread... need the wise & well though out opinions of the people of DC

I would like to know if you would support the following law being enacted.

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All guns are required to be secured when not in use. This can be done via safe, trigger lock, or a slide lock. This measure is simple gun owner responsibility, will reduce the chances of a gun being in the wrong hands, and does not infringe on the 2nd amendment at all. While the 2nd gives us all the right to own a gun it does not, unfortunately, grant the mental capacity to use it in a responsible manner.

Penalties:

Felony - If an unsecured weapon is used in the commission of a crime by a felon or a person of known mental defect. Forfeiture of all weapons, ammunition, and accessories (loading supplies and equipment, safes, sights, ect) to be sold at public auction. All proceeds from the auction will go towards (Something).

Misdemeanor - If a weapon is found to be unsecured but not used in a crime. Fine and possible jail time. Mandatory gun safety course and probation.

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Old 02-07-2013, 06:26 PM   #46
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So... a lot of people seem to get hung up on the safe being a requirement of gun ownership. You believe that your weapons are perfectly secure in your home and that no one can get to them.

Fine. Safes are not mandatory. The law then is as follows.

It is up to the owners discretion as to whether or not they keep a safe to store their firearms. In the event that an unsecured firearm is used in a crime, the penalties would be as follows:

Felony - If an unsecured weapon is used in the commission of a crime by a felon or a person of known mental defect that is an associate of the gun's owner. The gun owner must have shown gross negligence and left the weapon readily accessible.

Conviction requires immediate forfeiture of all weapons, ammunition, and accessories (loading supplies and equipment, safes, sights, ect) to be sold at public auction. All proceeds from the auction will go towards (Something).

Misdemeanor - If a weapon is found to be unsecured but not used in a crime. Fine and possible jail time. Mandatory gun safety course and probation.

No fault - weapon was secured via safe, trigger lock, or slide lock and was accessed without knowledge or consent of the owner.

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There you are. It is no longer mandatory but you bear a greater risk, as you should, if your weapon is left unsecured and used for evil and nefarious purposes.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:38 PM   #47
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Nobody will go for that. They just say, "Wait, my gun got stolen and now I'm in trouble!?!?"

The Chicago area recently proposed making it mandatory for people to report having a firearm stolen within 60 days. The NRA Chapter replies with "**** you."

Doesn't it seem logical to report that you've had a gun stolen? Then when you've had your 3rd gun "stolen" over X amount of time, you shouldn't be allowed to have guns anymore?.?

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Old 02-07-2013, 06:47 PM   #48
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So... a lot of people seem to get hung up on the safe being a requirement of gun ownership. You believe that your weapons are perfectly secure in your home and that no one can get to them.

Fine. Safes are not mandatory. The law then is as follows.

It is up to the owners discretion as to whether or not they keep a safe to store their firearms. In the event that an unsecured firearm is used in a crime, the penalties would be as follows:

Felony - If an unsecured weapon is used in the commission of a crime by a felon or a person of known mental defect that is an associate of the gun's owner. The gun owner must have shown gross negligence and left the weapon readily accessible.

Conviction requires immediate forfeiture of all weapons, ammunition, and accessories (loading supplies and equipment, safes, sights, ect) to be sold at public auction. All proceeds from the auction will go towards (Something).

Misdemeanor - If a weapon is found to be unsecured but not used in a crime. Fine and possible jail time. Mandatory gun safety course and probation.

No fault - weapon was secured via safe, trigger lock, or slide lock and was accessed without knowledge or consent of the owner.

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There you are. It is no longer mandatory but you bear a greater risk, as you should, if your weapon is left unsecured and used for evil and nefarious purposes.
Its nobody's business what I do to store my guns in my house. I have no children and its just my wife and I. If someone breaks in to steal my stuff I should not be responsible.

If I am traveling and I am carrying and I go to an establishment that requires me to unarm myself and I leave my firearm in the car and someone breaks in to my car or steals my car I should not be responsible.
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