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***RYAN NASSIB***

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Prospect: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse Orange
Height: 6’2
Weight: 228 lbs.
Grade: 6.9 (Grading Scale)

Scouting Report

Athleticism:
+Underrated as an athlete, has the ability to tuck the ball and pick up first downs or get into the endzone
+Thick build, he can take a hit and get back up
+Moves well in the pocket, is able to side step and climb the pocket to avoid the pass rush
+Balanced in his movements, though he does not always reset his feet when trying to make a throw
-Listed at 6’2, and will need to measure out at that height for fear of dealing with the dreaded height questions that have plagued so many QB’s

Arm Talent:
+Has a very strong arm, can make any throw that a team needs him to
+Puts enough pace on the ball to push the ball to the boundary side outside the hash
+Can fit the ball into tight spaces due to his arm strength, can pick zone coverage when given the time
+Release is compact and quick, though it doesn’t always come from the same arm slot
+Will change his arm slot to fit the ball into a passing lane, this costs him little to no arm strength
-At times puts too much faith into his arm and will try and throw the ball through the defense rather than take the easy check down
-Only knows how to throw one type of pass and that’s the fast ball

Pocket Presence:
+Is more than willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to deliver a pass
+Rarely drops his eye level when manuevering inside the pocket
+Good footwork to quicly move away from pressure
+Has experience dropping back from under center, working out of 3, 5, and 7 step drops
+Does well to sell the play-action fake coming away from center and turning his back to the defense

Command of Offense:
+Spent three years working under Doug Marrone and running an under center pro style offense
+Is able to get CB’s to bite on pump fakes and will look safeties off his read
+Unquestioned leader in the huddle, is one of the toughest players on the team and leads by example
+Is more than willing to put the entire offense on his shoulders
-Still developing the feel for when to check down or just throw the ball away, still believe his arm can make any play happen
-Locks on to primary read and will not progress fast enough

Overview:
No senior QB showed me more this season than Ryan Nassib, his growth and command of this team is the illustration of a what a true field general is. Nassib was a guy I wasn’t completely sold on coming into his senior year but he showed me enough tell me that he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

He needs to go to a team that has a strong offensive coordinator and QB coach who can help continue his development and help him smooth out some of his rougher edges. Nassib needs to continue to learn how to go through progressions and work on identifying the defense pre-snap so he knows what to do with the ball post-snap.

In the end Nassib gives you a QB with that classic gun slinger mentality. He’s going to make some throws that are going to put you in a position to win a game and he’s going to make some throws that could cost you a game. Up until this year you never knew which one of those throws you were going to get on any given drop back but now he’s taken that next step further and seems destined to become a starter in the NFL one day.

I’d put Nassib’s stock somewhere in the Round 2 to 3 range right now, but with the way QB’s are valued he could find himself closer to pick 32 than to pick 64.

Scouting Notes

Ryan Nassib v. Northwestern
-good size for position
-shows a clean, quick release
-hits tight end over the middle, shows nice zip
-throws on the run to the right, delivers a nice ball for big gain
-looked over his available WR to the left, delivers a strike

Ryan Nassib v. USC
- 3rd and Short- his reads are covered and backside pressure comes, runs out of the pocket, throws the ball as he is being hit right to a USC defender – Really poor decision
– Rolls out to his right has WR wide open, but doesn’t reset and misses the target high – Not a good start
– Three step drop, needs to get rid of ball, but he pump fakes and gets sacked
– Has little to no touch on short/intermediate passes, winds up like an outfielder throwing the ball and throws it as hard as he can

Ryan Nassib v. Rutgers
-Great level throw over linebackers, delivering high with velocity
-Can hold the ball too long when initial read struggles to get open
-Over-trusts first read a little long at times, needs to progress by reading DBs
-Anticipates receiver routes/breaks very well, high velocity
-Showcasing fantastic arm strength consistently
-Better than usual velocity control in the middle of the field
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:09 PM   #136
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Stole the words outta my mouth.
I might be a Geno homer but I do my research on them all. haha
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:11 PM   #137
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I might be a Geno homer but I do my research on them all. haha
Yup same here....

And IDK if I should be ashamed of this or not, but I tried to read Geno's palm based off a google image picture one night.

And I'm not a palm reader..

BUT!!!!

I learned that he has a long "fate" line.

That's how far I've gone. And it's only February.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:12 PM   #138
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:34 PM   #139
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To say Bray has "decent" arm strength is as ignorant as it gets. Out of all the QBs in this draft, he has the strongest by far.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:45 PM   #140
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um nobody said he had decent arm strength. put the gun down
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:46 PM   #141
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To say Bray has "decent" arm strength is as ignorant as it gets. Out of all the QBs in this draft, he has the strongest by far.
Bray sucks
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:50 PM   #142
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To say Bray has "decent" arm strength is as ignorant as it gets. Out of all the QBs in this draft, he has the strongest by far.
When I said decent I didn't mean average or anything like that. What I was really meaning to say is that his arm strength is great, but he uses poor mechanics which really hinders his ball placement on the receivers. Arm strength is just not something I put a ton of stock into unless you're in the red zone. He gets it there fast, but that's about it. Like I've said, he worked with the best WR duo in the country. Hunter and Patterson are both freaks, especially Patterson, and yet he could only get Patterson 46 catches on the year, yet Patterson might be the best WR in this class.
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um nobody said he had decent arm strength. put the gun down
I might've. At least I remember saying that to someone at some point.
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Blah. I don't like that guy... Maybe I need to spend more time on him, but he's one of my least favorites of this entire class.
thats all you really said on him... i went back a couple pages and didn't see anyone say his arm was decent. least not in this thread
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Back to Ryan Nassib:

I don't know where secondroundstats got their info, but of the games I charted Nassib only completed 48% of his deep passes, further than 20 yards. And the issues I have is that his passes weren't well placed.

He's a "spot" thrower. In other words a timing passer, and not a great one at that.

He would've benefited from having a good receiver, but Syracuse was pretty weak at WR this year. They had plenty of drops. His game Vs Northwestern was not pretty, and they ranked 84th in the FBS in pass defense.

He threw a ridiculous 45 passes under 10 yards, and really wasn't that accurate at it considering he was throwing lasers from 5 feet away. His halfbacks on the checkdowns were just trying to cover their face to avoid a broken nose.

His pocket awareness is fairly average. At times made good adjustments to step up and make a throw, and he was abused vs Rutgers. I almost couldn't put those sacks on him. His O-line was giving him no time to throw. The best games by far were the ones against Mizzou, and Louisville. He has tools to work with, but it's gonna take a lot of time, and adjusts for him to work out at the next level. Whichever team he goes to can expect plenty of interceptions.
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thats all you really said on him... i went back a couple pages and didn't see anyone say his arm was decent. least not in this thread
I said it in my head then.

I was thinking it a few days ago, so I'm guilty. But I've clarified.

Finally beginning a little bit on Barkley...
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thanks for the info on nassib, kind of what i thought aswell, good toolset but needs alot of work and molding to make right. would fit in good with a WCO and very good coaching to help bring him along. I think he needs to work on his footwork and anticipation or feel of his WR's better.

I just watched barkley against Stanford.. Looking forward to your take on it as opposed to mine.
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I think he benefited from 2 great receivers, and he actually hurt them more than anything. What he has going for himself is that he's tall, and has decent arm strength. But I see an inaccurate QB that has bad ball placement for his receivers. He's a little self obsessed I'd assume based on what I've seen. I just don't like him at all as a prospect. I'll elaborate more when the time comes. But I just see a lot more negatives than I do positives.
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As long as you think this, it makes me like him moreso.

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If you like someone of low character, go ahead and draft Bray... I won't stop you.

In reality guys like Barkley, Nassib and even Wilson are going to take a little time to groom and this is where the whole talk of bringing in a FA QB like Alex Smith comes into the picture. Sure we all want the new drafted QB to play right away but in this class it might not happen immediately. Of course this is all based on the fact if we pass on Geno at #1 which could be a possibility.
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If you like someone of low character, go ahead and draft Bray... I won't stop you.

In reality guys like Barkley, Nassib and even Wilson are going to take a little time to groom and this is where the whole talk of bringing in a FA QB like Alex Smith comes into the picture. Sure we all want the new drafted QB to play right away but in this class it might not happen immediately. Of course this is all based on the fact if we pass on Geno at #1 which could be a possibility.
Yep because every QB in this draft has to be ****ing Andrew Luck or RGIII. JFC all of yall are scared as shit it's pathetic. If they get drafted in the first round, they start. Plain and simple. Especially top 10. And Alex Smith sucks.
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