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LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:23 PM  
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The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

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This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:28 PM   #226
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Whatever. Not loving Geno is an opinion. Thinking you can win because of your offensive line is a silly opinion, a blind one actually. You need a very good QB to win. Trying to win with a great Oline and average QB is reckless.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:28 PM   #227
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6-7...really? He's not a number one pick based on his collegiate record alone..he's never taken a snap on the NFL..what a stupid question..do your homework..go back and review what Andy wants in a QB...Geno's not it..sorry
I understand that you're trolling and that you've never seen a complete game that Smith has played.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:28 PM   #228
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6-7...really? He's not a number one pick based on his collegiate record alone..he's never taken a snap on the NFL..what a stupid question..do your homework..go back and review what Andy wants in a QB...Geno's not it..sorry
Andrew Luck never took a snap in the NFL before 2012. Must not be what Andy wants in a QB. Sorry.
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Or an O-Line, or RB.
So that makes him the #1 pick??? Are you guys ****ing kidding me??? He's never faced and NFL defense...wow..
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:31 PM   #230
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And Geno has done what? Please remind everyone what his record was last year...you guys are delusional..
Okay. I'll play.

Geno's record was 7-6 his senior year.

He went for:

369/518
4205 yards
71.2% completion
42 TDs
6 Ints
163.9 rating

That's what Geno has done. That's a Heisman level season. That's as good as Luck and Griffin's final seasons. That's ridiculous level stuff. And that's not good enough? Especially when you factor in that the WVU was simply atrocious.

117 out of 124 in scoring defense.
122 out of 124 in passine defense.
38.1 point per game given up.

Geno was playing from behind in nearly every single game, forcing throws to keep his team in games and he still passed for a 71.2%?! That's nuts. The guy played his balls off all season, put up record breaking stats, has all the intangibles and that's not enough for you? You want a tackle who wasn't even the best offensive lineman on his own team rather than what Geno offers? JFC.

Oh, and if a win-loss is so important to you, do you recall what was Elways win-loss records every season he started at Stanford?
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So that makes him the #1 pick??? Are you guys ****ing kidding me??? He's never faced and NFL defense...wow..
Neither has any draft prospect in history. Or in the future.
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6-7...really? He's not a number one pick based on his collegiate record alone..he's never taken a snap on the NFL..what a stupid question..do your homework..go back and review what Andy wants in a QB...Geno's not it..sorry
In other words, you can't provide a legitimate critsism, other than team record.


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Really??? ROLF....why didn't he play on the senior bowl? Tell me...
Plenty of players don't go to the Senior Bowl. None of them play on it even when they do go.

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Different NFL. If you can't understand that then it explains why you don't get it. Dilfer could not win a SB in today's NFL.
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I think the QB at #1 trolls are far more successful than any Cassel troll campaign LA Chieffan ever tried to wage.

There are just so many of them that aren't always identifiable. munkey is a poster who never was on the Geno wagon, but his dumbassery in this conversation leads me to believe he genuinely is trolling now.

It's like the barbarian tribes nibbling away at the Roman empire. So hard to pinpoint all the trolls and ignore them.
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I understand that you're trolling and that you've never seen a complete game that Smith has played.
I've stated this MANY times...he needs to blow up the combine..until then don't expect me to jump on the Geno wagon..as Andy said.. I good QB raises the play is his team mates...not a good record in college to indicate so...
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I think the QB at #1 trolls are far more successful than any Cassel troll campaign LA Chieffan ever tried to wage.

There are just so many of them that aren't always identifiable. munkey is a poster who never was on the Geno wagon, but his dumbassery in this conversation leads me to believe he genuinely is trolling now.

It's like the barbarian tribes nibbling away at the Roman empire. So hard to pinpoint all the trolls and ignore them.
It became obvious nobody really still believed in Cassel. Harder to distinguish trolling from stupid Chiefs fans because there are 1) so many of them and 2) a ton that will always believe you build the Oline before getting the QB
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So that makes him the #1 pick??? Are you guys ****ing kidding me??? He's never faced and NFL defense...wow..
Name me one college QB that has faced an NFL defense.
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I've stated this MANY times...he needs to blow up the combine..until then don't expect me to jump on the Geno wagon..as Andy said.. I good QB raises the play is his team mates...not a good record in college to indicate so...
You realizat his defense allowed 40+ points per game in his losses right? Hard to win when your team is doing that. Ask Trent Green.
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Really??? ROLF....why didn't he play on the senior bowl? Tell me...
You are a pretty shitty troll.

You argue that you need an offensive line to win, but when the Chiefs fielded one of the best offensive lines in football and never won a playoff game you say it was because of the lack of defense.

You point out that Geno Smith went 7-6 in his senior year (after going 10-3 in his junior year and winning the BCS Orange Bowl over a heavily favored Clemson team) and 9-4 his sophomore year. Which means Geno Smith has never had a losing season in his three years as a starter at West Virginia and has an overall W-L record of 26-13.

And yet you fail to realize that the WVU defense in 2012 was ranked 117th out of 124.

You are arguing against yourself.
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That's not the question, Bill O'Reilly.

We have the choice between Geno and Joeckel. You asked which is more likely, Joeckel as a HOF LT or Geno as a HOF QB. I said it doesn't matter because a HOF LT doesn't win you shit. Then you started talking about journeyman QBs.

You can't do that. We're talking about the rewards outweighing the risks. Right now the likelihood of Joeckel or Geno being HOF is low and negligible. You have to logically assume that Geno will be a HOF QB in order to balance the hypothetical.

Here it is again. A HOF LT gets you nothing. A HOF QB gets you immortality.

Take the QB over the LT. Every ****ing time. Especially when it's the difference between the potential for greatness of players like Joeckel and Geno.
This is the kind of question people who have no clue about talent ask because it then just becomes a simple question to answer based on generic positional importance. It's all just random luck so let's swing for a QB, the most important position of all.

People who do this professionally, actually assess the quality of the individual players before making a choice in the draft. If they assess the LT and the QB to be equally talented (with equal needs at the positions), they'll end up picking the QB just like you want. The only reason they would pick Joeckel ahead of a QB would be if they decided the quality differential was great.
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