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View Poll Results: If no QB then who?
LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM  
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The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

KEEP IN MIND

This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:26 PM   #421
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Being able to start this team back on the right track by inking a proven commodity at QB and selecting a brand new franchise LT (with no back problems) before making any other draft picks would be a great win for the team and the fans in Kansas City.

A team that was worse than an expansion team last year ought to look at what it takes to succeed in the NFL and think about it.

Alex Smith is a first round quarterback. He's never had a rating below 80 the last 4 years. Last year he was above 90, and this year about 100. He threw a grand total of 10 interceptions over the last 2 seasons.

Last year, with a good team around him, Alex Smith had his team 3 points away from the Super Bowl. Guys with this resume never become free agents in the NFL. Not when they are 28 years old.

And people here tell you to "kill yourself" when you suggest that this guy might be a safer bet than a rookie who couldn't win games in a major conference in college football.

We're supposed to believe that even though Alex Smith was a field goal away from the Super Bowl last year it doesn't mean anything. He's Matt Cassel. Geno Smith is the only way we'll ever get to the Super Bowl.

The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.

Well, this is why you're selling insurance and Dorsey/Reid are in the NFL, let's hope they get this right. We could be back in the wild card hunt sooner than later if they do.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:27 PM   #422
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3 points or 30 points.

Makes no difference.

Franchise QBs make plays gainst outstanding playmaking defenses when plays need to be made.

Game manangers don't.
Does that argument apply to Geno Smith and his inability to win conference games after moving up to the Big 12, or his bowl game against Syracuse this year? Franchise QBs make plays when plays need to be made?

Maybe that means we should take Nassib, since he showed who was the franchise QB?
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:31 PM   #423
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Does that argument apply to Geno Smith and his inability to win conference games after moving up to the Big 12, or his bowl game against Syracuse this year? Franchise QBs make plays when plays need to be made?

Maybe that means we should take Nassib, since he showed who was the franchise QB?
so, the question must be asked again: would you take john elway if he were coming out of college this year? his teams had abysmal records under his helm at stanford. would you avoid him?
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Does that argument apply to Geno Smith and his inability to win conference games after moving up to the Big 12, or his bowl game against Syracuse this year? Franchise QBs make plays when plays need to be made?

Maybe that means we should take Nassib, since he showed who was the franchise QB?
Geno was 4-5 in the Big XII. Should have been 6-3. And that's with him dragging that shitty fart defense of WV's the entire way.

Can't win conference games my ****ing ass.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:50 PM   #425
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In other words, you don't have a clue what the difference is.
I know there's no relevant difference, if that's what you're trying to figure out how to say.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #426
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Does that argument apply to Geno Smith and his inability to win conference games after moving up to the Big 12, or his bowl game against Syracuse this year? Franchise QBs make plays when plays need to be made?

Maybe that means we should take Nassib, since he showed who was the franchise QB?
People that ask this question clearly do not understand the difference between the college game and the NFL game.

The talent level of the best team in the NFL and the worst team in the NFL is marginal at best.

In the playoffs, the thing that separates one team from another is usually at QB.

In the college game, the thing that seperates one team from another is the overall talent level of the teams playing one another.

Syacuse was a more talented team.

Even with that difference in the levels, Geno Smith almost singlehandedly carried WVU to an Orange Bowl win last year against a far superior Clemson team.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:53 PM   #427
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People that ask this question clearly do not understand the difference between the college game and the NFL game.

The talent level of the best team in the NFL and the worst team in the NFL is marginal at best.

In the playoffs, the thing that separates one team from another is usually at QB.

In the college game, the thing that seperates one team from another is the overall talent level of the teams playing one another.

Syacuse was a more talented team.

Even with that difference in the levels, Geno Smith almost singlehandedly carried WVU to an Orange Bowl win last year against a far superior Clemson team.
This.

So many fans don't understand this for some reason.
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I know there's no relevant difference, if that's what you're trying to figure out how to say.
You know shit.

TeBow was great college player, whose QB skills were virtually non existent.

He has poor accuracy and terrible mechanics that can not be hidden by scheme against NFL talent.

His lack of QB skills are extremely relevant.
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The groupthink has gone over the cliff. Logic and reason are beside the point here.
Nothing posted in this thread is more true than this. In fact, it ought to be a system-generated disclaimer attached to any thread in which Geno Smith is discussed.
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Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again
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Logic states that free agent qbs don't win SBS. Yet here we are discussing this again


You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.
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The talent level of the best team in the NFL and the worst team in the NFL is marginal at best.

In the college game, the thing that seperates one team from another is the overall talent level of the teams playing one another.
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In the playoffs, the thing that separates one team from another is usually at QB.
And coaching.
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You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.
Last year's QB class has really ****ed the perception of this class.

Geno Smith in years prior to last year would easily be viewed as a top 10 pick.

His player rating on NFL.com is only 7 or 8 points below Luck's last year, and 3 or 4 below RGIII's.

He would have easily been the third QB off the board last year, ahead of Tannehill.

In most of the the prior years, he would have been the first or second.
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You're talking about a team that has failed to win a PLAYOFF game in 20 years, yet making Super Bowl will be as easy as taking a QB #1 overall in a year when the best prospect would be a bottom first if not a second on most years, is the answer.

Again, the ****ing hyperbole is highest it's been in the history of Chiefsplanet.
Trading for Matt Cassel was considered baby steps. Gotta walk before you can run. Gotta win a playoff game before you win a Super Bowl.

How about we stop with the small goals? How about if a guy can't be a Super Bowl-quality player, we don't acquire him? Let's do that instead of guys that can just be good enough for the playoffs. That's what we've been doing up to this point, and it hasn't worked.

Alex Smith can't/won't win a Super Bowl. Regardless of how good the Chiefs have been in the past, he's not worth our time or our money. Period.
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Tannehill goes #8 overall, so there's little chance in hell that Smith falls out of the top 10 pretty much any year.
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