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Old 02-11-2013, 05:57 AM  
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Pope Benedict XVI to Retire

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Dear Brothers,

I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonizations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church. After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry. I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering. However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the barque of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me. For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects. And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff. With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.

From the Vatican, 10 February 2013
BENEDICTUS PP XVI
On one hand, I am floored by the news. On the other hand, I am glad he is able to rest and enjoy retirement. I think this will set a healthy precedent.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #46
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No, asshole, I've clearly explained my position. I know a few things about European history. You're not the only one who can read a ****ing book.

You can't compare atrocity across 500 years. If a Pope tried the things they tried centuries ago they'd be thrown in jail today.
It's almost like him and Jenson are the same person, isn't it?
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #47
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It's kind of like saying Obama isn't the worst President ever because he didn't rape slaves....um, no one rapes slaves these days.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:49 AM   #48
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Keep in mind, a lot of histories of these popes were written by those who deposed them and could taint the historical record.
Yes, but in some cases, the historical record is pretty damning. Whether EVERY word is true or not can certainly be disputed, but when there's such a mountain of damning stories and nary a word in support, it's hard to believe he was anything but terrible.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:50 AM   #49
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Are they not trying to make john paul II a saint? Don't you have to perform miracles? Wine into water kind of thing?
Or a sneeze you didn't cover that didn't make all around you sick.

Things have lightened up lately, you don't have to do real miracles like in the old days when god used to flex and be badass and do cool miracles.

Maybe he needs to step down as god. He might just not have it in him any more at 6000 years old.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:51 AM   #50
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Are they not trying to make john paul II a saint? Don't you have to perform miracles? Wine into water kind of thing?
The person him/herself does not have to perform miracles, but miracles (two?) have to be attributed to the intervention of the person. For instance, suppose someone is diagnosed with cancer, prays to God for the intercession of JPII for a cure, and after being examined by the doctors, is cleared of cancer. Then, that could be the basis for attributing a miracle to JPII.

It is not claimed that JPII ever created a miracle in his lifetime, although there has been arguments that UNI's defeat of Kansas three years ago should qualify.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:52 AM   #51
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No, asshole, I've clearly explained my position. I know a few things about European history. You're not the only one who can read a ****ing book.

You can't compare atrocity across 500 years. If a Pope tried the things they tried centuries ago they'd be thrown in jail today.

Yes, you have clearly explained your position, and you're entitled to your opinion. But you're wrong. There really is no colorable argument that Ratzinger is the worst Pope ever. The entire theory doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense.

Which demonstrates that you're either ignorant or stupid. I'll choose the former, but if you want to argue the latter, that's fine too.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:53 AM   #52
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Yes, but in some cases, the historical record is pretty damning. Whether EVERY word is true or not can certainly be disputed, but when there's such a mountain of damning stories and nary a word in support, it's hard to believe he was anything but terrible.
He probably kept mistresses, and probably was a terrible person, but the idea of him rolling die and invoking pagan gods seems so outrageous and silly that it's no doubt the work of an opponent building up a case. Kind of like the old myth that Catherine the Great had sex with horses.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:55 AM   #53
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Yes, you have clearly explained your position, and you're entitled to your opinion. But you're wrong. There really is no colorable argument that Ratzinger is the worst Pope ever. The entire theory doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense.

Which demonstrates that you're either ignorant or stupid. I'll choose the former, but if you want to argue the latter, that's fine too.
Can we at least get you to admit he was probably the worst Pope in the last 200 years?
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:57 AM   #54
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Yeah, are you just rehashing what everyone knows? Because you still haven't shown where Ratzinger, not failed to act, but acted in a cover-up. And Marciel was pursued by Ratzinger and he denounced him. Why not include that? Are you covering facts up?
Did he turn any of the priests who molested children over to the authorities?
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Can we at least get you to admit he was probably the worst Pope in the last 200 years?
Why would he be?
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Did he turn any of the priests who molested children over to the authorities?
He did not. When he was aware of them, he followed internal Church regulations related to these crimes. These regulations in the Canon Law were completely deficient, incomplete, and ended up hurting a lot of people. But turning them over to authorities was not part of the procedure. It was an institutional failure, not Joseph Ratzinger's.
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Put somebody young in there. Or maybe an African guy.
My bias hopes for Timothy Dolan.
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He probably kept mistresses, and probably was a terrible person, but the idea of him rolling die and invoking pagan gods seems so outrageous and silly that it's no doubt the work of an opponent building up a case. Kind of like the old myth that Catherine the Great had sex with horses.

Maybe, maybe not. It's hardly worth spending much time on, to be honest, but 600 years AFTER he cavorted and called to the pagan gods, people in Massachusetts were hanging people and crushing them due to witchcraft.

Could it just be the victor writing the history books? Sure. Could it be that a 20 year old kid, drunk with power and alcohol ran around screwing anything that moved and (in a joking, stupid-kind-of-way) calling out to some pagan god of lust or some damn thing? Who knows, and who really cares.
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The real problem of course is that none of you Catholics think Pope Palpatine did anything wrong.

Brainwashing at it's finest.
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