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Old 02-07-2013, 08:16 AM  
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Former LAPD officer on rampage in So Cal

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(CNN) -- A former Los Angeles police officer who police say has violently threatened his former colleagues shot at least two officers early Thursday, killing one, sparking a huge manhunt in Southern California, according to authorities.
Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, is also wanted in a double slaying Sunday in Irvine, California.
The California Highway Patrol issued an alert Thursday morning urging officers in several Southern California counties to be on the lookout for Dorner after the overnight shootings.
Two officers in Riverside were shot, one fatally, police there confirmed to CNN. CNN affiliate KTLA reported another officer was shot in Corona, California.
Irvine police identified Dorner on Wednesday as the suspect in the February 3 deaths of Keith Lawrence and Monica Quan in Irvine.
Dorner also has made violent threats against other Los Angeles police officers, the agency said Wednesday.
"I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty," Dorner allegedly wrote in a lengthy letter promising retribution against the department, where he worked from 2005 until 2008. An LAPD source provided the document to CNN.
The letter writer claimed he was terminated for reporting excessive force by a fellow officer, and said his attacks were retribution for his termination, as well as a culture of racism and violence he says continues within the department.
He called the attacks against police "a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."
Los Angeles police warned people who encounter Dorner not to approach him, saying he is likely "armed and extremely dangerous."
"Our department is implementing all measures possible to ensure the safety of our LAPD personnel, their families and the Los Angeles community, and will continue to do so until Dorner is apprehended and all threats have been abated," police said in a statement.
CNN's Mallory Simon and Deanna Hackney contributed to this report.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:07 PM   #1411
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Incendiary Tear gas called burners. Some departments use them others don't.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:08 PM   #1412
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How the hell can tear gas start a fire?
Dude, tear gas grenades get VERY hot.

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A typical tear gas grenade contains a host of additional chemicals for heat dispersal of the irritant. When the solid CS powder heats up, it vaporizes into an easily dispersed aerosol.

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Old 02-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #1413
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #1414
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I have never justified the way the LAPD has handled this and the way they shot up innocents. I think they are one of the most corrupt\racist police organizations in this country.

But that story and the Dorner story is very very similar in how the police approached the standoff.
Except the police say they did NOT use "burners"
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:11 PM   #1415
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Except the police say they did NOT use "burners"
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:11 PM   #1416
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Except the police say they did NOT use "burners"
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Disagree.

Transcript from the police burning the place down

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Quote: "Make a big portal..."
3min later
"Guys can you pull that door out, we think they may be something underneath it.... go ahead and turn it and pull it out"
"See camouflage underneath that door?"
"No only some garbage bags... I see some blood splatter in the far corner"
"What corner?"
"Right across from the 1-4 corner"
"I think you're meaning the 1-2"
"Alright Steve* we're going to go ahead with our plan with the burner-"
"Copy"
"-the one we talked about"
4:16
Control, BURNERS DEPLOYED AND WE HAVE A FIRE
Copy, burners deployed and we have a fire

Guys be ready on the #4 side, we have fire on the front he might come out the back
One side fully engulfed, fire on the (port?, porch?)
...we're down here on... road... bring an engine down here
(14?) fires are out
ONE SHOT FIRED FROM INSIDE THE RESIDENCE
Roll in in stage
61 lincoln, to all units. all perimeter units. stand by
1-2 corner fully engulfed
we have ammo exploding inside
Control... status check
I'm over on the 4 side
we have fire back there yet?
....Fully engulfed
copy, number 2 and 4, fully engulfed
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:11 PM   #1417
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They used gas but I thought it was after he shot himself?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:12 PM   #1418
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They used gas but I thought it was after he shot himself?
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:13 PM   #1419
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Disagree.

Transcript from the police burning the place down
We were talking about a different situation.

Read the other article he posted.

In THAT situation the police said they did not use burners and the house burnt.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:14 PM   #1420
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His other article about a different situation.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:14 PM   #1421
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We were talking about a different situation.

Read the other article he posted.

In THAT situation the police said they did not use burners and the house burnt.
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Yeah just noticed, sorry. Not all here today
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:14 PM   #1422
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http://www.modbee.com/2012/04/13/215...dentified.html



Authorities on Friday found a body in the charred rubble of a burned apartment building where a gunman holed up for 11 hours Thursday after a sheriff's deputy and a locksmith were killed while trying to serve an eviction notice.

Modesto police would not say Friday who they suspect was inside the home, but they presume he is dead.

Court documents indicate that 45-year-old James Ferrario was the person being evicted. Neighbors and family members described him as an anti-social, paranoid and sometimes strange man.

Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson said he is convinced the body found was the gunman who killed Deputy Bob Paris, 53, and locksmith Glendon Engert, 35. A second deputy was uninjured.

"This senseless act of violence was committed by one person and he is dead," Christianson said.

One former neighbor said Ferrario sprayed bear mace on a friend and her husband after a dispute over loud noise aboutsix years ago. Police were called but no one was arrested. Others said he hardly left his home, where he stored hunting rifles, handguns, a Kevlar vest and a gas mask. They said he installed several surveillance cameras outside the apartment.


The body was discovered in the ruins of the northwest Modesto home that caught fire late Thursday. Modesto police gave no other details, such as gender.

Authorities believe it might take days or possibly weeks to confirm the identity of the body. Nobody else was found in the burned building.
Investigators would not say whether the gunman fired at the victims through the apartment's front door, or if either of the deputies had a chance to return fire. Some neighbors have described hearing several bursts of shots.

The only building damaged in the fire in the 2100 block of Chrysler Drive was the fourplex where the gunman was Thursday. The building has four apartments, and the suspect was believed to be on the first floor.

Fire origin unclear


It's still unclear how the fire began. Christianson acknowledged late Thursday night that a combination of flash-bang devices and tear gas could have been responsible.

Friday afternoon, Modesto police officer Chris Adams insisted that SWAT teams did nothing that would have started the blaze.

He said there are two types of tear gas cannisters police use. One is an incendiary cannister called a "burner," which can start a fire, Adams said. The department doesn't deploy burners; it only uses nonincendiary cannisters.

He said SWAT teams from several police agencies including Modesto's surrounded the home. The Modesto squad was stationed in front of the home. Investigators were certain the gunman was alive Thursday night, because someone was turning the lights off and on inside the home as SWAT teams launched tear gas into the apartment.

"We exhausted every option to try to get the suspect to surrender," Christianson said Friday.

About 9 p.m. Thursday, a small team of SWAT officers from various agencies approached the front of the home, including Modesto police. The huge blaze erupted about 9:45 p.m., engulfing the apartment building.
"We didn't have anybody go inside the house," Adams said. "We didn't deploy anything inside the house that should have set the fire."

The sheriff said everyone living in or near the building had been evacuated, so neighbors were not in danger.

The fire burned for several hours. Firefighters took a defensive stance, using a high-pressure hose from a ladder truck to attack the blaze from a mobile home park north of the apartment building.


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Old 02-12-2013, 08:15 PM   #1423
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[Updated at 10:02 p.m. ET] A body believed to be that of Christopher Dorner has been pulled from the burning cabin, multiple law enforcement sources tell CNN contributor Tom Fuentes. The sources say they were told this by LAPD.

Law enforcement personnel will conduct a forensic exam to identify the body, the sources say.
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Didn't know that's what you were referring to. I thought you were talking about THIS fire where "burners" WERE used.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:18 PM   #1425
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It seems tear gas causing fires is not uncommon...
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Report: SWAT tear gas rounds likely ignited Calif. fire

According to the report, the tear gas rounds were non-flammable

By Tony Burchyns
San Jose Mercury News

Police tear gas launched into a Vallejo home in February during a SWAT-team standoff played a role in starting a fire that caused $60,000 in damage and killed two dogs, a fire department report released Monday finds.

However, the Feb. 10 two-alarm blaze at 1041 Castlewood Drive was deemed "accidental in nature," according to the 13-page investigation report.

The exact cause was undetermined. But it likely involved one of the non-flammable rounds hitting or knocking over flammable household products, the report said.

The fire began shortly after police launched 12 tear gas rounds into various parts of the house. Police were trying to ferret out as many as six armed robbery suspects believed to be inside. However, it was later determined that the suspects had slipped away before police established a perimeter.

According to the report, the tear gas rounds were non-flammable. But one of the 37-mm projectiles fired through the back door could have penetrated or knocked over a household product containing flammable chemicals. At that point, vapors could have been released and ignited when reaching an ignition source, such as the flame from a nearby water heater.

Under another scenario, a chemical reaction releasing heat could have occurred when the chemicals inside the projectile came into contact with one or more household products stored inside the utility room.

Thirdly, the report said that a tear gas canister, after penetrating the rear door, may have entered the utility room and either knocked over or breached other containers of household products. If this occurred, then those products could have come into contact with each other, creating a heat-generating reaction that ignited other combustibles.
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