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View Poll Results: If no QB then who?
LT Luke Joekel 40 31.01%
DE Star Lotulelei 30 23.26%
LB Jarvis Jones 19 14.73%
Other (who, why?) 40 31.01%
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM  
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The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

KEEP IN MIND

This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:33 AM   #556
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He's significantly better as a prospect than Gabbert, and it's not close.

But when you enter the Matt Ryan territory there's too much gray area to say beyond a shadow of a doubt he's better.

IMO, if you do that you're entering the homer territory Dane is harping on about.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:34 AM   #557
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Matt Ryan and Geno Smith are entirely different QBs with different backgrounds and different strengths.

Matt Ryan had all the squeaky clean white boy QB shit going for him that draft guys love. He just threw a ton of picks in college. A LOT.

Geno Smith had 6 INTs the whole year and like what, only two fumbles? Three?

In terms of a guy with the arm who can also take care of the ball, Geno Smith is a far better prospect coming out of college than Matt Ryan.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:35 AM   #558
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IMO, if you do that you're entering the homer territory Dane is harping on about.
Except that I've been 100% consistent about my feelings on Matt Ryan since his college days.

My feelings on this subject have FAR more to do with how I rate Ryan, NOT how I rate Geno.

There's nothing "homer" about it.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:35 AM   #559
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I think this is highly debatable simply based on level of competition and the systems they played in.

It's not hard to separate Geno from guys like Sanchez. It gets muddled when you bring guys like Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler into it.
Actually Cutler ceiling is what Geno seems to have. Nobody questions his passing talent, but we don't know shit about his head. He does strike me as possessing a Cutler type of head. Until that's shown to be wrong, I'll worry about picking him at the top of the draft.

Like many of us are saying, let the combine unfold before you tear each other up about Geno Smith.
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i believe we know plenty about his head. The man is wicked-gifted and a firece competitor.
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Who has one of the deepest receiving corps in recent NFL history and a top 10 running game for almost all of his career?
TOTALLY. If Ryan can't get to the Super Bowl with THOSE weapons one has to question how good he really is.
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He does strike me as possessing a Cutler type of head.
There's so much evidence for this.
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There's so much evidence for this.
This is why I bang on Frankie.

He posts stupid shit that serve as clear evidence that has actually never watched Geno.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:48 AM   #564
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This is why I bang on Frankie.

He posts stupid shit that serve as clear evidence that has actually never watched Geno.
Other than him not playing in a pro style offense he's got it all.

Above average arm, above average mobility, has a solid deep ball, and his completion percentage is retarded good.

He was born to play the WCO/Phat Andy offense...
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Who set franchise passing records?

If Geno is as good as Matt Ryan I will be his biggest fan, because I love Matt Ryan.

But at this point you really can't say for sure that Geno can make the transition to playing under center full time. There are lots of similar prospects who couldn't do it.

I place Geno between Blaine Gabbert and Matt Ryan as a prospect. That's all I'm willing to do. That's more than enough for him to go #1 this year, so who cares?
I think placing Geno betwen Gabbert and Ryan is probably accurate.
Here is the top 5 winning QB's since 2008.
Joe Flacco 41 wins - 19 losses
Matt Ryan 40 wins - 18 losses
Aaron Rogers 39 wins - 20 losses
Tony Romo 27 wins - 20 losses
Eli Manning 26 wins - 24 losses
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I think placing Geno betwen Gabbert and Ryan is probably accurate.
Here is the top 5 winning QB's since 2008.
Joe Flacco 41 wins - 19 losses
Matt Ryan 40 wins - 18 losses
Aaron Rogers 39 wins - 20 losses
Tony Romo 27 wins - 20 losses
Eli Manning 26 wins - 24 losses
Now adjust for playoff wins...
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Other than him not playing in a pro style offense he's got it all.

Above average arm, above average mobility, has a solid deep ball, and his completion percentage is retarded good.

He was born to play the WCO/Phat Andy offense...
Geno played in a pro set as a sophmore, and had a ggod season.
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I can't wait for Geno to go on Jon Gruden's QB camp show.

"I question his head"

Why the **** would you question his head? Just because he went to West Virginia?
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I can't wait for Geno to go on Jon Gruden's QB camp show.

"I question his head"

Why the **** would you question his head? Just because he went to West Virginia?
Well...it's a legitimate argument...
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