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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:14 AM   #5761
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KU claims 30k alums living in the state of Missouri. I have to assume that's pretty accurate.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:21 AM   #5762
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Alamo Bowl would not be a great football year at MU. You must be thinking of Kansas.
It's not?

I must be missing something.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:45 AM   #5763
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KU reports non-grads in their alumni count (since the word "alumni" refers to any student) so you are very correct there.



Mizzou has to be doing the same and here's why: They claim 20K in Kansas City, and another 60K in St Louis. That's equivalent to what KU reports in Kansas City. It makes sense that MIzzou's alum base would be more split between the two cities and that KU's woudl be heavily concentrated a half hour from their campus. Since KU=MU in enrollment for over 100 years, their alumni counts will be the same in aggregate.
Mizzou has 26,196 alums in KC and 51,538 in Saint Louis.

WTF are you talking about regarding KU enrollment equaling MU enrollment? Mizzou has 34,748 to 24,577 at Kansas.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:45 AM   #5764
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:05 AM   #5765
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KU claims 30k alums living in the state of Missouri. I have to assume that's pretty accurate.
Well, since KU is claiming 80k alumni for the KC area, one can logically conclude that an overwhelming percentage of those alumni are on the Kansas side of the line.

Given the price of a college education these days, that figure should surprise no one. Which would you rather do if you are a middle class family in Kansas...send you kid to Mizzou and pay twice as much, when you can send them to KU, be with an hour of them, and not spend nearly as much. Same thing for St. Louis...why send your kids to Illinois when Columbia is an easy drive and less expensive?

I am not sure what Prison Bitch's point is. I think he is trying to troll by saying the Mizzou has no major markets that is can call its own. What his "facts" have shown is that Mizzou dominates St. Louis, and that Mizzou more than holds its own on the Missouri side of KC. The further you get from State Line Rd in KC, the more of a Mizzou town KC becomes.

Not sure why anyone would really care. Both teams get plenty of coverage in town, and both team's games are easily accessible on TV, so fans not living in Lawrence or Columbia get everything they need in terms of coverage.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:18 AM   #5766
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I'm guessing that "KC area" in this case extends to Lawrence.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:23 AM   #5767
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Excellent argument. Clearly this is the key thing here, not facts - but where "Duncan Idaho" has lived.

Yes it is.

I'm telling you to use your brain and think about the likelihood that a major university with 43,000 undergrads - 2 hours away from a city of 3M people - would have only 4K alums there. Use your head Duncan.

Hilariously stupid.
What "facts" would you bring to the table to suggest Illinois' footprint in St. Louis is anywhere close to Mizzou's in Kansas City? You say "Yes it is" as if you have them. Please produce.

They don't get the same coverage in the local sports page.

They don't get the same play on sports talk radio (even when Illinois hoops was riding the coattails of Bill Self's recruiting class, they didn't)

They don't see huge enrollment numbers from the St. Louis area.

And I'm telling you to use your brain and look at the differences in "feeder" options for Illinois grads.

Missouri's biggest chunk of student population comes from the St. Louis area, and that city is the primary post-grad destination of most graduates.

Illinois gets a tiny chunk of its student population from St. Louis. It's primary destinations post-grad are Chicago, New York, DC, and surprisingly, San Francisco. (BTW, U of I has about 30k undergrads - Mizzou has about 27k). Milwaukee, Madison, Indianapolis and Peoria all get big chunks of Illinois grads, too. Indy and Peoria are closer to U of I. Madison and Milwaukee slightly farther than St. Louis but not significantly.

Hilariously stupid is right.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:25 AM   #5768
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STL is definately a Mizzou town
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:56 AM   #5769
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Nominated for understatement of the year.
I looked back at the bowl games the last 20 years Mizzou has participated in.

An Alamo Bowl appearance is a good as Mizzou ever does. Pretending it isn't is laughable.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:03 AM   #5770
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Yeah U of I isn't that big in St. Louis. Hell if you look at the numbers only 24% of the metro in St. Louis is in Illinois to begin with. 60% of Kansas City metro population is in Missouri. But U of I in STL is the same as Mizzou in KC is laughable and talking out of your ass.
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Mizzou has 26,196 alums in KC and 51,538 in Saint Louis.
Ok. I claimed 80K between the two cities and it looks like it's only 78K. The composition mix is a bit off but your numbers seem believable.


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WTF are you talking about regarding KU enrollment equaling MU enrollment? Mizzou has 34,748 to 24,577 at Kansas.

MU's enrollment is actually only 26,545 if we look at undergrads only, which is your listed KU number here. Enrollment has spiked a bit the past few years and is an all-time high for MU. And which is, by most rational people's eyes, about as close to KU's size as they are to any other school in America.

http://registrar.missouri.edu/statis...y-combined.pdf
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I am not sure what Prison Bitch's point is. I think he is trying to troll by saying the Mizzou has no major markets that is can call its own. What his "facts" have shown is that Mizzou dominates St. Louis, and that Mizzou more than holds its own on the Missouri side of KC. The further you get from State Line Rd in KC, the more of a Mizzou town KC becomes..

I'll re-state the point: we have an MU fan here stating it's absurd for the BIG to claim St Louis as a market simply because Illinois is close. I said the SEC makes the identical statement about claiming the KC market. The number of total fans & alumni in each city is comparable.


If one is absurd, the other is. (I think they are both absurd personally)
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I'll re-state the point: we have an MU fan here stating it's absurd for the BIG to claim St Louis as a market simply because Illinois is close. I said the SEC makes the identical statement about claiming the KC market. The number of total fans & alumni in each city is comparable.

If one is absurd, the other is. (I think they are both absurd personally)
You are a ****ing idiot. What part of 60% of the KC metro population is in Missouri do you not get? That is solid for Mizzou no matter how much you want to spin it. B1G claims STL mainly due to the reach of the STL tv market which extends out into Illinois but doesn't have much population, only 24% of the STL metro.
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Ok. I claimed 80K between the two cities and it looks like it's only 78K. The composition mix is a bit off but your numbers seem believable.





MU's enrollment is actually only 26,545 if we look at undergrads only, which is your listed KU number here. Enrollment has spiked a bit the past few years and is an all-time high for MU. And which is, by most rational people's eyes, about as close to KU's size as they are to any other school in America.

http://registrar.missouri.edu/statis...y-combined.pdf
I always thought the comparison between MU-KU enrollment was pretty funny coming from MU fans.

Being that Kansas is a state with less than half the population of Missouri and has an entire second BCS level school (KSU) I always thought it was incredible how KU overshadowed MU with all the built in advantages MU has.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:31 AM   #5775
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You are a ****ing idiot. What part of 60% of the KC metro population is in Missouri do you not get? That is solid for Mizzou no matter how much you want to spin it. B1G claims STL mainly due to the reach of the STL tv market which extends out into Illinois but doesn't have much population, only 24% of the STL metro.

I'm sorta laughing at your attempt here. Determining what percent of a state a metro is in is about the dumbest argument imaginable but it's not slowing you down. I was born & raised and live in Missouri but I sure's hell ain't a MU fan. By your logic, I would be included in the MU haul.



Put it this way: 60% of KC Metro is in Missouri, but you know very well that 60% of the KC Metro sure ain't Mizzou fans. Not remotely close.
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